Assumption again how do you know we were not asking to much for him

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Not trying to make a point BV - just interested in what you would have done.

Basically from what you've said you would have done what I would have done.

The only difference between where we're at seems to be expectations.

Mine are lower perhaps than yours. I can't speak for you and why yours might be higher than mine but I can speak for me.

At the moment I'm happy that the key decision (keeping the top 4 picks) has been taken and taken in a manner of which I approve. That's a huge improvement on where we were at pre-Pagan. Anything after that involves outside influences that by their very nature aren't under our control. I really wanted to trade Lance and keep Fev. The club seemed to be of the opposite opinion. We ended up with both either through ineptitude or accident. From what I understand you felt the same. It didn't happen their way or ours in the end and the final result is a nil all draw.

The thing is it's always unlikely that the club is going to do exactly what we want. It can't. None of us agree so it's impossible for them to satisfy all of us. However, providing the basics are there such as keeping the quality picks when you get them (which is a decision made by the board some time back) then I'm 90% happy. I'm sure there are things I'd do differently but I'm not doing it and providing they're doing the basics as I want it then I'm happy to allow them the latitude to do it their way for the rest even though I'm going to disagree with them about specific decisions at times.

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1stly cos I don't think the Club is that dumb.

2ndly cos I don't think the other clubs are that dumb.

3rdly cos my info back in August from a reliable source was that no-one wanted him.

But Headplant that is because we did not chuck in pick 52. They would have been busting our doors down to get Campo and pick 52

Hey 52 got Saddington didn't it

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I agree with Blue Vain. It seems for the sake of positive thinking we can argue ourselves into believing anything. It's like self-delusional justification instead of looking at things from a larger perspective. To me it has become a sort of a modern Carlton myth that we had no choice in taking the recruiting actions we took. As for myself, I cannot begin to understand why the greater majority of us can't see that the methods we chose in recruiting were not at least heavy-handed.

As I keep saying you chase after the best available talent. I don't think recruiting is as much of a lottery as the burnt would make you think it is but if it was, wouldn't you at least think the best thing to do would be to improve your odds? You have to at least be in the game to be any chance at all. Investing your faith in those that are 'capable' at best only gets you so far. You also have to be able to bear the burden of the odd mistake for the sake of greater returns in the long run. So while I believe that a good 60% of the decisions made were justifiable and, given I was not privy to what else was on the cards, perhaps even the right ones, but the other 40 odd % was not. When you consider our ladder predicament I don’t consider it acceptable.

I know this is all very negative and I’m sorry but I think we have not seriously begun rebuilding yet and I am one fan who is very restless.

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I believe all those guys mentioned are contracted.

Still delisting them?????

I don't know about Wiggins, but we still could have payed out one of their contracts. It would not suprise me if at least one player who could have been chosen by us with what would have been our next pick goes on to be a champ' at another club.

We have got to at least start taking some kinds of risks or we are not worth the bread we're buttered on (so to speak ).

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Not in August

with sydney picking up 50% of his salary - so much of all this is about the finacial state of the club. Just as Fitroy's decisions were all heavily influenced by finances, so is Carlton's which is why it is such a terrible state and why it can easily turn into that gurgling sound you hear when the bath is emptying.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

MMM was one of them.

I'm pretty sure Brett Backwell's Dad won the Grogan Medal....I know he was in the AFLQ Team of the Century.

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