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keogh wrote:
Hey Sheik,whats ya favourite Zappa album.Is it ovenight sensation.


'Joe's Garage' & 'Sheik Yerbouti' actually. The Mothers were the first act I ever saw live, my mum took me along at age 14, she got free tickets from the band as they were staying at the hotel where she worked. On reflection, this event may have had a serious effect on my personality traits. :-D

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Hey Sheik go easy on Rod Galt. I used to love watching him play (admitedly in the twos), and Peter Mac wanst too bad a bloke for a guy that played for the filth.


Nah, can't agree, both were past it by the time they came to us.

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Like most others, I'm only ranking those I've seen play, although I was sorely tempted to include Clover, Coulthard and McGregor.

1. Doull - the best defender for his era, and one of the few players who were ahead of his time. His decision making was always spot on, and his delivery by hand or foot immaculate.

Knowing when to mark or spoil is one of the hardest parts of being a defender, and Doull never got it wrong; his reading of the play was phenomenal. Could make the attacking runs out of half-back, but was always accountable for his man. The perfect defender.

2. Nicholls - hard to believe a guy of his size could be one of the greatest ruckmen of all time. Didn't revolutionise the game like Farmer, but had a similar impact.

3. Kernahan - an extraordinary leader, and that was what made him great above all his other talents.

4. Jesaulenko - still the most exciting player I've seen on a football field. Gary Ablett is the closest I've seen to his brilliance, but for all the Geelong man's talents, Jezza was clearly superior.

5. Silvagni - 'Fullback of the Century', and as much as I admired Southby, it will only be in later years that we appreciate just how great SOS was.

6. Dean - a choice from my heart, not from my head. Look up the expression 'team spirit', and it should always show a picture of my equal favourite player in history, alongside Doull. One viewing of the '95 Grand Final is sufficient proof any doubters.

7. Crosswell - the ultimate big game player. Spellbinding and dazzling are the adjectives I'd use for 'Tiger'.

8. Southby - another revolutionary in footy. His attacking style inspired his own generation of full-backs, and those that followed.

9. Fitzpatrick - the third of our great leaders. Inspired the team and supporters alike.

10. Johnston - like Crosswell, the big occasion player. I saw him first play for Prahran in 1978 and just knew he was going to be great for Carlton.

11. Walls - as Dannyboy and Moshe would agree, it's unfair to leave such a champion out of this list.


Of those I left out, Williams is probably the unluckiest, but I've never viewed him as a genuine Carlton great because he played initially for Geelong, and many games with Sydney. The same could be argued about Crosswell, but he started with us and played his best football with the Blues.

Bradley was a great and skillful running player, but his absence from hard contests always gnawed at me.

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TheSheik wrote:
1. Adam Chatfield
2. Ian Muller
3. Mark Athorn
4. Lou Chiodo
5. Rod Galt
6. Peter McKenna
7. Tim Powell
8. Michael Kennedy
9. Jim Canfield
10. Mark Majerczak



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I'd like to think Jarusa was out with Sheik helping little old ladies across the street but i am afraid Sheiky prefers pulling wings off flies! :oops:


You wouldn't believe what I did today, helped an old lady with her shopping trolley - does that count ??

And yes, I did pull the wings off flies at high school. :-D


Sheik, I saw that Frank Zappa album cover at Borders the other day.

Zappa is unique. Anyone who names their kid moon unit has clearly come out the wrong side of the 60's for me. Still, at least he didn't write anything as weird as that Beatles song - I am the Walrus - or did he?

Sheik, you had Chatfield at 1, muller at 2 and Athorn at number 3 - can you elaborate on what made each of these players so special for you.

I am glad you didn't put deulio in that list. I liked Ronnie.


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6. Dean - a choice from my heart, not from my head. Look up the expression 'team spirit', and it should always show a picture of my equal favourite player in history, alongside Doull. One viewing of the '95 Grand Final is sufficient proof any doubters.


If you are judging these guys on pure playing ability, then he will never be considered to be in the upper echelons or elite of our club. However, if you were compiling a list of players who had (amongst other attributes) the best :
1. work ethic
2. dedication
3. team spirit
4. tenacity
5. courage
6. pride
7. never say die attitude
8. cameraderie with team-mates
9. example setting for others to follow
10. reliability & dependability

then this guy would be just about the best by the length of Flemington.

Any player who took of his jumper at the end of a game and handed it to the property steward instead of throwing it on the floor as a sign of respect of what it meant to him has a hell of a lot going for him. We could do with a few like that right now !!

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JackWorrall wrote:
6. Dean - a choice from my heart, not from my head. Look up the expression 'team spirit', and it should always show a picture of my equal favourite player in history, alongside Doull. One viewing of the '95 Grand Final is sufficient proof any doubters.


If you are judging these guys on pure playing ability, then he will never be considered to be in the upper echelons or elite of our club. However, if you were compiling a list of players who had (amongst other attributes) the best :
1. work ethic
2. dedication
3. team spirit
4. tenacity
5. courage
6. pride
7. never say die attitude
8. cameraderie with team-mates
9. example setting for others to follow
10. reliability & dependability

then this guy would be just about the best by the length of Flemington.

Any player who took of his jumper at the end of a game and handed it to the property steward instead of throwing it on the floor as a sign of respect of what it meant to him has a hell of a lot going for him. We could do with a few like that right now !!



Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Nicholls: Imposing..formidable..artistic..clever..strong..inspiring.

Doull: The model of "How a class defender should play"....the best.

Greg Williams: The Edward De Bono of the midfield....a genius.

Wayne Johnston: The best running torpedo goalkicker ever....immortal.

Steve Kernahan: A born leader and classic old style Champion Forward.

Jesaulenko: A freakish cat like player with incredible skills....a one off.

Southby: Was so good at fullback; he nudged out SOS from my list.

Crosswell: Was a brilliant star and matchwinner in almost any position.

Harmes: A very quick, long kicking, high marking, matchwinning "utility".

Bradley: Speed, class, work ethic, endurance, delivery, longevity.

Apologies to : Michael Sexton/Peter Dean/SOS/Walls/Hunter/Bosustow.

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Warby wrote:
Nicholls: Imposing..formidable..artistic..clever..strong..inspiring.

Doull: The model of "How a class defender should play"....the best.

Greg Williams: The Edward De Bono of the midfield....a genius.

Wayne Johnston: The best running torpedo goalkicker ever....immortal.

Steve Kernahan: A born leader and classic old style Champion Forward.

Jesaulenko: A freakish cat like player with incredible skills....a one off.

Southby: Was so good at fullback; he nudged out SOS from my list.

Crosswell: Was a brilliant star and matchwinner in almost any position.

Harmes: A very quick, long kicking, high marking, matchwinning "utility".

Bradley: Speed, class, work ethic, endurance, delivery, longevity.

Apologies to : Michael Sexton/Peter Dean/SOS/Walls/Hunter/Bosustow.


Actually whilst the Dominator had a great running torpe it was really his ability to snap a torpe with his back to the goals across his body that has led him to legend status. Simply brilliant!!!!!!!!!!


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Sorry did I mention I was usually from a hard ball get not a campo that led to these remarkable six(sick) pointers.


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Fred 'Pompey' Elliot

197 games and 86 goals, from 1900-1911, premiership captain in 1908.

Player Bio (so far) can be found here:
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... %09Elliott

(feel free to add any info you may have to the bio)

... will reel off a few more of the players from early in the century as well in coming days.

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Vin Gardiner

157 Games 342 Goals.

Despite being less than 5 foot 6 tall, Gardiner held down a key position in the forward line for the Blues for more than a decade.

His tally of 342 goals still ranks as 7th best of all Carlton players.

Player bio can be found here: http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... 09Gardiner

(feel free to add anything you know).


... more to come ...

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Like most others, I'm only ranking those I've seen play, although I was sorely tempted to include Clover, Coulthard and McGregor.

1. Doull - the best defender for his era, and one of the few players who were ahead of his time. His decision making was always spot on, and his delivery by hand or foot immaculate.

Knowing when to mark or spoil is one of the hardest parts of being a defender, and Doull never got it wrong; his reading of the play was phenomenal. Could make the attacking runs out of half-back, but was always accountable for his man. The perfect defender.

2. Nicholls - hard to believe a guy of his size could be one of the greatest ruckmen of all time. Didn't revolutionise the game like Farmer, but had a similar impact.

3. Kernahan - an extraordinary leader, and that was what made him great above all his other talents.

4. Jesaulenko - still the most exciting player I've seen on a football field. Gary Ablett is the closest I've seen to his brilliance, but for all the Geelong man's talents, Jezza was clearly superior.

5. Silvagni - 'Fullback of the Century', and as much as I admired Southby, it will only be in later years that we appreciate just how great SOS was.

6. Dean - a choice from my heart, not from my head. Look up the expression 'team spirit', and it should always show a picture of my equal favourite player in history, alongside Doull. One viewing of the '95 Grand Final is sufficient proof any doubters.

7. Crosswell - the ultimate big game player. Spellbinding and dazzling are the adjectives I'd use for 'Tiger'.

8. Southby - another revolutionary in footy. His attacking style inspired his own generation of full-backs, and those that followed.

9. Fitzpatrick - the third of our great leaders. Inspired the team and supporters alike.

10. Johnston - like Crosswell, the big occasion player. I saw him first play for Prahran in 1978 and just knew he was going to be great for Carlton.

11. Walls - as Dannyboy and Moshe would agree, it's unfair to leave such a champion out of this list.


Of those I left out, Williams is probably the unluckiest, but I've never viewed him as a genuine Carlton great because he played initially for Geelong, and many games with Sydney. The same could be argued about Crosswell, but he started with us and played his best football with the Blues.


I pretty much agree with Jack's list except, much as I loved Deano, I think Kenny Hunter was a class above, I'd have Nick at #1, and Doullie at #2, and I'd brackett Crosswell and Kouta, both extraordinary athletes, whose brilliance was cut short by injury. Crosser wasn't quite the same after missing most of '71 with osteo....something, couldn't bend after that, tho he was BOG in '75 GF. Think his attitude was ordinary from 72 on. We've had a few good players wear the navy blue, let's hope in ten years time we'll be revising these lists to include a few 200 gamers who are currently early in their careers.

PS On the drop kick discussion, I can't remember Southby kicking them, but as others have said Syd and Robbo used them a bit. I remember Neil Chandler grubbing one in a GF (1970?) One area that has improved across the board is kicking.


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