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Very interesting subject this.

But something that has been overlooked IMO is The BombOut Campo will be the emergence of Carazzo. Although he may not be super super quick i think he can and will fit perfectly into the Line breaker category. He has shown in the past that he can move and carry the ball from defence so now with Campo gone he can make that trasition ( Pagan Permitting )

I also think that leg speed is over rated. Something i know for a fact is the ball will always beat a running player. So if we have players who can hit targets and think quick and smart then we can and will look quick.

It's ball movement that makes a team look quick and having too many people in a side with leg speed as there major ability is not necessarily the best option. Having 3 or 4 should be enough in a "balanced team ".

But.... You do raise a fair argument. :-D

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Conundrum wrote:
Vintage and Cazzesman you two seem to possess a very strong knowledge on the emerging talent in this year's draft. Are you both talent scouts or just football junkies?

Also, what is your assessment of Wayne Hughes as the head of our recruiting?

Would also like to hear who Carlton would have taken should Edwards not have been available at 36. I doubt it would have been Ryan and your thoughts on Toovey?


Questionable. No. Yes, I love the round ball game. Who? I don't deal in hypotheticals, of course, only those concerning Farren :(.


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Tractor Boy wrote:
Very interesting subject this.

But something that has been overlooked IMO is The BombOut Campo will be the emergence of Carazzo. Although he may not be super super quick i think he can and will fit perfectly into the Line breaker category. He has shown in the past that he can move and carry the ball from defence so now with Campo gone he can make that trasition ( Pagan Permitting )

I also think that leg speed is over rated. Something i know for a fact is the ball will always beat a running player. So if we have players who can hit targets and think quick and smart then we can and will look quick.

It's ball movement that makes a team look quick and having too many people in a side with leg speed as there major ability is not necessarily the best option. Having 3 or 4 should be enough in a "balanced team ".

But.... You do raise a fair argument. :-D


I don't share your enthusiasm for Carazzo to fill the void left by Campo. Not only does he lack the leg speed, I am not impressed by his decision making and I believe he holds on to the ball way too long before disposing off it. Having said that he gives 100%. Campo was a huge liability down back.

Would rather have have Russell and Walker alternating down back as part of their development.


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79Vintage wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Vintage and Cazzesman you two seem to possess a very strong knowledge on the emerging talent in this year's draft. Are you both talent scouts or just football junkies?

Also, what is your assessment of Wayne Hughes as the head of our recruiting?

Would also like to hear who Carlton would have taken should Edwards not have been available at 36. I doubt it would have been Ryan and your thoughts on Toovey?


Questionable. No. Yes, I love the round ball game. Who? I don't deal in hypotheticals, of course, only those concerning Farren :(.



Shoul I accuse both you and Cazzesman of being evasive or cryptic in your responses?


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Conundrum wrote:
Tractor Boy wrote:
Very interesting subject this.

But something that has been overlooked IMO is The BombOut Campo will be the emergence of Carazzo. Although he may not be super super quick i think he can and will fit perfectly into the Line breaker category. He has shown in the past that he can move and carry the ball from defence so now with Campo gone he can make that trasition ( Pagan Permitting )

I also think that leg speed is over rated. Something i know for a fact is the ball will always beat a running player. So if we have players who can hit targets and think quick and smart then we can and will look quick.

It's ball movement that makes a team look quick and having too many people in a side with leg speed as there major ability is not necessarily the best option. Having 3 or 4 should be enough in a "balanced team ".

But.... You do raise a fair argument. :-D


I don't share your enthusiasm for Carazzo to fill the void left by Campo. Not only does he lack the leg speed, I am not impressed by his decision making and I believe he holds on to the ball way too long before disposing off it. Having said that he gives 100%. Campo was a huge liability down back.

Would rather have have Russell and Walker alternating down back as part of their development.


I can see where you are coming from but i really think , that Carazzo will come on leaps and bounds this year. More so because Campo has gone.

Your points about his decision making and disposal are sometimes right but he can hit targets and with more confidence and a sense of belief in that he deserves to be playing at this level might just top him off for a huge learing curve and big improvement in those areas. This belief and the belief of the players around him might be what makes him into a good consistent footballer. Not the first guy you'd pick as your main ball carrier/line breaker but definately another option. With plenty of upside in him.

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I believe I am in the minority in my assessment of Carazzo amongst Carlton supporters. He currently fits into our side and is quite serviceable (probably top ten contributor) at Carlton.
But to put things into perspective look at who he is competing against. The least skilled Carlton side since the 80's. When we improve our playing list and again compete in finals football he will be discarded.I cannot see him making more than incremental improvements to his game. Has been in the caper for a while for me to expect anything more from him.

I would rather play a youngster with potential rather than trialing him out in the middle. Has not got sufficient class let alone leg speed to justify a midfield role. Blackwell come on down once you put on another 5 kilos.

PS his kicks have a considerable amount of hang time. This forces our players to compete in marking contests unecessarily.


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Conundrum wrote:
79Vintage wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Vintage and Cazzesman you two seem to possess a very strong knowledge on the emerging talent in this year's draft. Are you both talent scouts or just football junkies?

Also, what is your assessment of Wayne Hughes as the head of our recruiting?

Would also like to hear who Carlton would have taken should Edwards not have been available at 36. I doubt it would have been Ryan and your thoughts on Toovey?


Questionable. No. Yes, I love the round ball game. Who? I don't deal in hypotheticals, of course, only those concerning Farren :(.



Shoul I accuse both you and Cazzesman of being evasive or cryptic in your responses?


I was truthful. I thought I answered you questions very succinctly. :lol:

But you are the one with the name Conundrum :-D

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Conundrum wrote:
I believe I am in the minority in my assessment of Carazzo amongst Carlton supporters. I would rather play a youngster with potential rather than trialing him out in the middle. Has not got sufficient class let alone leg speed to justify a midfield role. Blackwell come on down once you put on another 5 kilos.

PS his kicks have a considerable amount of hang time. This forces our players to compete in marking contests unecessarily.


You're probably in the minority because you're wronh but lets take the argument to a Carrazzo thread. Really he is one of a very small number of players fast enough to take the forward pockets - you know, Farmer, Davis, type players. He is very fast , he is very capable. He may not be a pure class player but because of that we got him for nothing and he is one of the first picked players each week.

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Just in case you feel the need to jump on the bandwagon elsewhere. :wink:


Thanks Cazza, I'll think about it, but they'll have to change there hair-dos first. :lol:


P.S I agree that apart from Gibbs the best four+ players in next years crop look like being talls.

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