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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 1:29 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Except for the fact he gets pushed off the ball to easily.
He needs to put on some weight before he can make an impact inside.
Plus we don't need another inside mid hanballing, we have too many of those already.
We need speed and skill by foot.


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If you think Ollie is quick it is no wonder you think Voss can't coach.
If Ollie was quick and had good foot skills, he'd have stayed on the wing or be in the centre/half forward.
There is a reason he is in defence and there is also a reason our D50 transition is not as smooth as other teams.
The kid goes hard, has good run but like many others on our team lacks a few qualities for us to be able to play a different game style.
His best position is in defence so far, so let's leave him there.


So now it's not about just pace but his foot skills - yet Voss plays him as the distributor off the half back line.
Then you say Voss can coach - let's see if Voss gets an extension next year?

ps. It's a bit like the StKilda supporters are so happy they signed NLM for 2 years. Wonder what the discussion will be in 2027? Only another 12 months. :grin:

SB, don't set yourself up for a second year of disappointment.
Essentially hoping our team will fail so Voss will get the sack and you can be right, sounds like a grim season of football IMO.

Yes, Ollie is not an elite kick.
But he is a good 2 way runner and is the reason he is used to run so far up the ground.
The issue Voss has and you seem either unable or unwilling to accept is that we have no one else better.
Do you think Ollie would be playing that role if we had Houston?
Ollie is not a bad footballer, in fact he is coming along nicely.
He just lacks the qualities we really need to be able to play the plan B you consistently say Voss does not have, speed and skill by foot.
As do many of our other players, mind you.

If we could somehow add another half back, wing, mid and small forward with speed and skilful ball use this off season, we would be set.
I would then expect Ollie to be used in the back pocket again or be a rotating player in several positions.
Either way, he needs to work on his kicking and acceleration this off season first and foremost.
And adding a little extra weight would not go astray.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 1:31 pm 
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Effes wrote:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1868382

On the Club’s areas to address this off-season:

“We need some depth, that’s been a priority for us. It’s going back a long way: we thought the durability of the list wasn’t where it needed to be last year, we had too many soft-tissue injuries and went to work on that as a list.

“Unfortunately we’ve had a lot of different trauma injuries this year, but it has felt like we’ve controlled what we need to control and we think our high performance and medical team has done an amazing job managing our year and the program they’ve put around our players. We’ve been a little bit unlucky, and we need to ride that bit out and be really strong on the things that have worked for us within the program and keep doubling down on the things that make our program stronger.

“Ideally we want to bring in some speed and ball use. That’ll be nice on the edges to bring that. It’s nice that we’ve got some guys that haven’t played a lot of football this year that we can bring into the team immediately, which will be a difference for us in that area. Cottrell, Smith, Walsh has come back and you see the impact he has. We haven’t had these players for a lot of the year.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
It'll be interesting to see who comes in and who goes out.
And hopefully next season we have a bit more luck with injuries and then you never know.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Voss is taking no responsibility for this year's results.
It's everyone else fault, from injury management to list management.
If people are happy to listen and back this excuse - good for them, but for me it sends alarm bells.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I'll add - expectation was finals this year. Club set it.
Changes to the list last year were made with Voss approval. Boo Hoo if he didn't get Housten. SOOK.
Voss has failed and if the club believe they need to rebuild / reset or whatever they have once again FAILED.
I won't accept anything than finals and success while I support this club.
Loser mentality to accept anything less and believe this nonsense and keep blaming everyone else.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:51 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Voss is taking no responsibility for this year's results.
It's everyone else fault, from injury management to list management.
If people are happy to listen and back this excuse - good for them, but for me it sends alarm bells.


Has he been blaming other departments? I've not made him make any excuses this season, unlike the doppelganger at *.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Apparently Sydney want Charlie Curnow.

No problem, just give us Isaac Heeney and you've got a DEAL !!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GreatEx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Voss is taking no responsibility for this year's results.
It's everyone else fault, from injury management to list management.
If people are happy to listen and back this excuse - good for them, but for me it sends alarm bells.


Has he been blaming other departments? I've not made him make any excuses this season, unlike the doppelganger at *.

I think in SBs mind, unless Voss comes out and says it is all his fault then he is blaming everyone else but himself.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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murraycray wrote:
Apparently Sydney want Charlie Curnow.

No problem, just give us Isaac Heeney and you've got a DEAL !!!!


If the medicals are as guarded a prognosis as I expect them to be..

McLean/Florent/future first and swap 43/61 for their 27/45.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Apparently Sydney want Charlie Curnow.

No problem, just give us Isaac Heeney and you've got a DEAL !!!!


If the medicals are as guarded a prognosis as I expect them to be..

McLean/Florent/future first and swap 43/61 for their 27/45.

Reckon our bloke would have a good idea of both sides of the deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Apparently Sydney want Charlie Curnow.

No problem, just give us Isaac Heeney and you've got a DEAL !!!!


If the medicals are as guarded a prognosis as I expect them to be..

McLean/Florent/future first and swap 43/61 for their 27/45.

Or maybe Hayward or Sheldrick could be part of the trade.

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