The funny thing about Sheedy is that every Essendon* supporter I know reckons he needs to be put out to pasture. The media love everything he has to say though.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

And another thing, I thought free to air/sponsership was why we moved to Telstra Dome. Shouldn't have to worry about these things anymore apparantely.

Its not what we want its what the sponsors want....the AFL have sold the game to Televison...its about getting the logo on the box for you me and anyone else to see and in prime time.
Membership will become less important over the years and sponsorship more important as the TV side of thing kicks in more...sponsors dont just want members money they want everyones money....the AFL's the winner....hopefully as the TV rights get bigger the clubs slice of the cake does as well however AndyD when questioned on where the money would go was more interested in the AFL aquiring assets than sharing it out..

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- Conor Gillen

Yeh I know what you mean - there is another bloke like that his name just slips my mind

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Big call that Elwood. Hope your wrong.

Sydney Blue?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I was thinking Courtney Johns...

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He's talking about mini-bus.....no he's not, but I am.

I've said it before. We should play a home game in Sydney (Telstra Stadium), Adelaide (Adelaide Oval) and the Gold Coast. Let's be an Australian sporting club instead of being a Victorian sporting club.

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There's so much I could say...

Gerry I appreciate all the things you were saying..I just can't help but look at a team like the Bulldogs..limited success..crappy brand...low membership base and yet they have been able to attract a sponsor...sure the AFL props them up but surely that is an additional reason for sponsors to steer clear but they don't...doesn't make sense to me...someone or something has to be accountable

Adelaide H (Adel.Oval)
Brisbane H (Carrara)
Collingwood H (MCG) A (MCG)
Essendon* H (MCG) A (MCG)
Fremantle A (Subiaco)
Geelong H (TD) A (KP)
Hawthorn H (TD) A (MCG)
Melbourne H (TD) A (MCG)
North Melbourne H (TD) A (MCG)
Port Adelaide A (AMMI)
Richmond H (TD)
StKilda A (TD)
Sydney H (Telstra St.) A (SCG)
Westcoast H (TD)
Western Bulldogs A (TD)

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Don't agree with you on this one Budzy (normally i do agree)

- once you up up and move you are no longer part of where you are from.

This is the american answer to everything ... i don't believe in following the nba/ nfl model with selling your soul for the almighty dollar. They call their
clubs franchises -they don't call them clubs.


the LA Dodgers were the brooklyn dodgers and soon they will be the san jose dodgers and then the alabama dodgers.


carlton is a club with a heritage. many people support carlton from afar - and just cause you live in brisbane doesn't mean you have to support the lions. once you start playing HOME games in other states - what are you?

the adelaide oval blues?

the carlton blues?

the carlton/western sydney suburbs blues?



no. big soccer clubs such as manchester united have more supporters outside manchester than it.. but their home games are still played at manchester. if we build a club with enough heritage and culture people come to you - not the other way around.

I see where you are coming from kerna.The lack of sponsorship is hard to take. I guess we are really on the nose at present but hopefully we will take a few steps forward over this coming season.

I'm worried about the potential backlash from the members who might not sign up with the shift from Princes Park still ringing in their ears. But if some Bluesfans are so upset at accessing the CBF, why shouldn't we consider selling 1 or 2 home games against the interstate sides?

I don't hear Hawthorn or St Kilda fans saying they've lost their identity, because they realise the benefits outweigh the negatives. If the side isn't going to attract any new sponsors and lose money on some games, it would be a wise short term decision to take the cash for selling 1 or 2 games.

Beggars can't be choosers and that's what we are till we get back on top. But our board and fans may think the sponsors are going to come running because we just have exposure in the one state.

We upped and moved games from Princes Park but we are still CFC the mighty blues.


Again, we've already sold our souls when we stopped playing games at Princes Park. Too late to get all tempremental now.
WE MUST GROW OUR MEMBERSHIP BASE!!!


I hope we will always be the Carlton Football Club (the mighty blues) based at Princes Park Carlton and supported and watched by members Australia wide.

btw, my proposed draw above only has us playing 6 games interstate (only one more than this year) so Vic fans only miss out on one more game to watch live. A small price to pay for a pretty big dividend maybe don't you think.

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I was just scanning the Herald Sun webpage and I noticed they don't have any reports on Carlton's financial troubles?

Is the biggest paper in the country more concerned with the fact Cooney has one leg longer than the other?

The paper version had a Mike Sheehan article about the situation today.


Edit to add: Its actually on the web site:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,%255E20123,00.html

My bad.

Was that the first article they've written on it?

I wonder what the critics think of this comment.


I don't think we could have turned around the financial situation in 3 years.

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=247699

Carlton has strongly denied reports that it has resolved to approach the AFL to seek $1 million in special assistance from the AFL.

The club released a statement on Saturday dismissing the reports as 'totally false'.


"It is the case that in 2005 the Board of the Carlton Football Club approved the club’s entry into discussions with the AFL to explore a range of possible financial alternatives to improve the financial position of the club," the statement said.

Among these were the redevelopment of Princes Park and an AFL contribution to assist.

In the statement, the Blues said that the future of the club remained bright, pending a 'complete restructure' of the Carlton Social Club arrangements and a successful outcome to the discussions with the AFL.

Meanwhile, Carlton's family day, set down for Princes Park on Sunday, has been cancelled due to the heavy rain in Melbourne on Saturday afternoon.

Well my 2c on the subject after lurking for long enough.

I just don't see the issue....after all we're just getting our money back which I'm all for

I pointed this out to a wanker St Kilda supporter giving me crap yesterday. When I highlighted the fact that the money we'd get from the AFL was MORE than the fine and that we'd actually be in front he was mighty shity about that.

Really made me feel good. The only downer in this deal is the loss of the draft picks. How we could have done with Daniel Wells against Geelong.

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