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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:36 pm 
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In 1991 - Parkin led a big turn-over of players ... and from that point on insisted on recruiting guys of good work ethic and the result ... the 1995 premiership.

When Brittain took over he wanted work ethic over every other possible skill set suitable for AFL and the result ... the 2002 wooden spoon.



We recruited some recycled duds like Athorn, Powell, Sholl in the lead up to the 95 flag - but we also recruited some great recycles like, Rice, Clape, Pearce and dare I say Manton, who proved great acquisitions. In fact with a bit of luck with injury I reckon we were unlucky not to win 3 flags in a row ie. 94/95/96 - I count 93 as a bit of an aberation as I am not sure how we even made the Grand Final with players like Athorn, Powell and Sholl in the side. :?


This is the reason why I don't agree with the current thinking of you must bottom out, finish last for a few years and then charge up the ladder when it's 'your turn'. There is still a place for clever recruiting ... and not just in the 17 and 18 year old age bracket.

Of course, it helps when your side has a backbone of Dean, Silvagni, Kernahan, Bradley and Madden when you start the 'rebuild'!


Of course you don't have to bottom out but we have already. Twice.


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Dukes wrote:
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In 1991 - Parkin led a big turn-over of players ... and from that point on insisted on recruiting guys of good work ethic and the result ... the 1995 premiership.

When Brittain took over he wanted work ethic over every other possible skill set suitable for AFL and the result ... the 2002 wooden spoon.



We recruited some recycled duds like Athorn, Powell, Sholl in the lead up to the 95 flag - but we also recruited some great recycles like, Rice, Clape, Pearce and dare I say Manton, who proved great acquisitions. In fact with a bit of luck with injury I reckon we were unlucky not to win 3 flags in a row ie. 94/95/96 - I count 93 as a bit of an aberation as I am not sure how we even made the Grand Final with players like Athorn, Powell and Sholl in the side. :?


This is the reason why I don't agree with the current thinking of you must bottom out, finish last for a few years and then charge up the ladder when it's 'your turn'. There is still a place for clever recruiting ... and not just in the 17 and 18 year old age bracket.

Of course, it helps when your side has a backbone of Dean, Silvagni, Kernahan, Bradley and Madden when you start the 'rebuild'!



Yes but the good young players the ones that are going to become the next generation Kernahans, Bradleys, Williams etc are not available in the second tier competitions like the WAFL, VFL, SANFL, most of them come through the Under 18 Competition, clever recruiting is not going to get you these kids only early draft picks will, The talent identification process is far more precise these days.

You wont get any (or hardly any) of these talented 17/18 year old players slipping through to the older age competitions ready for clubs to pluck in the draft at 60 and 70th pick, it just wont happen. Even the reverse is starting to happen where you get clubs recruiting the bottom age 17 year olds late in the draft gambling that they would have been a top 20 pick in the following year - like we have done with Anthony Raso, and the jury is still out on that one.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:57 pm 
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PS When Wayne Brittain took over he wanted work ethic over every other possible skill set suitable for AFL and the result ... the wooden spoon.


Of course most of the best players missing multiple games had nothing to do with it.

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What a strange thread! :wink:

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Adrian Bassett was a Castlemaine boy (Bendigo zone). He was a gun. True.

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Adrian Bassett was a Castlemaine boy (Bendigo zone). He was a gun. True.


He was a winger at best until Parkin tried to turn him into a CHB come FB - I think he had a nervous breakdown one day playing on Gary Ablett.

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A bit of where are they now stuff....my wife got invited to a party through her work and it was down Torquay/Lorne way and I figured it was going to be a long drive to be bored out of my brain with a lot of ditzy women talking about tupperware, babies, etc but the host turned out to be Adrian Bassett...the Hound has a lovely home near the beach and was very friendly and teaches at a local school and has built himself a nice lifestyle down there and it was good to see he has used his money wisely and kicked on after his career ended... he was grateful for the opportunity that carlton gave him and had no regrets...

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Good on him. He was a good player in a bad side. Once we got a bit stronger, he dropped to the back of the pack and eventually out of sight all together.


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Did anyone hear Parkin on SEN a couple of days ago?

He said something like, "I really worried about seeing Carlton win another premiership in my life time". :roll:

He must be planning his afterlife in a couple of years time then. :P

Seriously despise the way everyone is jumping on our death bed in the past couple of days. :evil:


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Adrian Bassett was a Castlemaine boy (Bendigo zone). He was a gun. True.



I thought he was from Coburg? Or maybe I'm getting it mixed up with Tim Reineits.

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Adrian Bassett was a Castlemaine boy (Bendigo zone). He was a gun. True.



I thought he was from Coburg? Or maybe I'm getting it mixed up with Tim Reineits.


No both Tim Reineits and Adrian Bassett were recruited from Coburg in the VFA (around 1990). I think it has been posted elsewhere but am pretty sure that Tim Reineits kicked 3 goals with his first 3 kicks in AFL football.

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That may well have been on Queen's B'day 1990 against Melb

The game where we were down by 50 odd at half time & lost by a goal...

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That may well have been on Queen's B'day 1990 against Melb

The game where we were down by 50 odd at half time & lost by a goal...


Hmm...not sure about that one. I have the clippings for that game at home. Am I going insane? For some reason I'm thinking Mark Naley kicked five goals that game.


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Brent Heaver did for the Dees, I know that.

The MCC Members were standing singing 'For Heaver's a jolly good fellow' :roll:

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Dukes wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Dukes wrote:
In 1991 - Parkin led a big turn-over of players ... and from that point on insisted on recruiting guys of good work ethic and the result ... the 1995 premiership.

When Brittain took over he wanted work ethic over every other possible skill set suitable for AFL and the result ... the 2002 wooden spoon.



We recruited some recycled duds like Athorn, Powell, Sholl in the lead up to the 95 flag - but we also recruited some great recycles like, Rice, Clape, Pearce and dare I say Manton, who proved great acquisitions. In fact with a bit of luck with injury I reckon we were unlucky not to win 3 flags in a row ie. 94/95/96 - I count 93 as a bit of an aberation as I am not sure how we even made the Grand Final with players like Athorn, Powell and Sholl in the side. :?


This is the reason why I don't agree with the current thinking of you must bottom out, finish last for a few years and then charge up the ladder when it's 'your turn'. There is still a place for clever recruiting ... and not just in the 17 and 18 year old age bracket.

Of course, it helps when your side has a backbone of Dean, Silvagni, Kernahan, Bradley and Madden when you start the 'rebuild'!


Sydney have proven that. They've made the finals most of the last 10 years, never having high draft picks and still winning the flag lat year.


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You're right about Heaver CK, as I was about Naley, though it must've been another game with Rienets kicking three.

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And here's our buddy Adrian laying a somewhat high tackle in the same game.

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How many players have even been capable of taking 7 marks in a quarter?

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How many players have even been capable of taking 7 marks in a quarter?


3 in that game. 8)

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