I never said Sticks wasnt a great captain we could have done with him right now.

Im saying hes a shit director and an especially shithouse Chairman of Selectors.. and he should never be on the MC and on the board.. all bad roads around the club at Footy dept go to Sticks....Collo made a big deal about it when he was doing it under elliot and hes still there... something never change at Carlton!!!

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Oh ill give and keep giving so they may grow..
you go chip in for Ryan.. he needs you...

and lucablue.. do you really know anything about anything???... like do you have to continue to remind yourself.. right foot forward.. left foot forward to walk???

Some of you have the most simplistic attitudes to life...

As BV just pointed out if Kouta had a team around him wed be losing our next few picks in the draft again... !!!

Ive never ever ever come across so many simpletons in my whole life...!!!

Its a wonder you can type and breathe ...

Fancy saying "Lets get more champions in the side so Kouta can stick out.. "when he is cannibalising the salary cap all by himself...

Look youre more at home on the Nintendo .. real life isnt for you blokes...!!!... its too complex....

Get a side around the 1 million dollar plus Kouta...????BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!!!

Trippers!!!

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I live in Africa.

I am black.

I have been sponsored by someone I have never met. His name is A. Koutoufides.

Does he or she have something to do with your "magnificant" football club which has done so much for the world?

And have the membership fees you've all paid helped me and my fellow countrymen? I'm hoping so!

Youre mad!!!! .. thats what you are....

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All us Gabs brothers are mad!

Yeah, well fair enough then... I don't see any reason why he can't be part of the MC though, but whether he should be a director is questionable...

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One of many many reasons is he was the catalyst in bringing OReilly to the club....!!!

there are a heap more reasons but i shall not go into them right now...

Ill just say he walks around with full imunity having made some of the biggest blunders that have been affecting our club and still affecting it.

Just another reason how this board is weak to handle situations it promised wont continue.

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Hi Synbad- just curious. What could Sticks be doing that could be done better?

Has he kept some of the old hacks in the team such as campo (last year) when there was pressure to drop him?

is this the type of thing you are referring to?

There are a few things Sticks has done that have gone without accountability . ... the man walks around the place as if he has diplomatic immunity...


Ill get into a few at a later date.. i dont think now is the time.

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I agree with Synbad...Sticks has been a great captain but I dont think he has the skills required at board level in the new age of football where more financial/admin nous is required than football knowledge..
MC wise I thinks it time he moved on and we had someone more pro youth and less close to some of the older players....I'm not sure of his involvement in selection processes concerning such friends as campo etc but to me he was too close to a few of our older players and felt pressured to show loyalty to them when decisons on their futures were concerned...
You cant question his popularity and he is a good bloke with a good navy blue heart but I think he needs to move on like a few others have done and maybe assist the club in areas such as PR/club functions etc where his popularity and good cred with the supporters can be utilised.
I would have liked to have seen Peter Dean be head of the MC..

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......like your work synbad.......
More akin to the debating style in my eldest boys prep class though!

Pity you didn't stay in that corner that Camelboy sent you to!!!!!!!!

Your name is luca.... are you crying???.. you had your little go with the "painted eyes" bit.. are you complaining now??

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Actually Grant Williams heads the footy dept with Shane O... Sticks is chairman of selectors.

Youd just about get rid of the lot of them right here.. (nothing against them but we need more) and you could have brought in Kinnear Beetson and Kenny Sheldon in my opinion.

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I thought you were going to say "your name is Luca... you live on the second floor"

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Back to Kouta. I'd like to see him offer to play for the club in '07 for the basic wage. It would be a nice gesture to give something back, although I wouldn't want him as captain and i wouldn't want him back unless the match committee saw a role for him.

Can't see it happening though.

Yeah i was.. but i chose the bad melodies.. just seemed to fit him better...

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It makes to sense to me this Kouta bashing and for that matter hatred directed towards David Allison. Daivid Allison is a player's manager and his job is to get the maximum dollar for his client. He is not on Carlton's payroll so why should he care about Carlton getting dudded. He has a duty of care to get the best contractual arrangement for his players as their agent. He has done it successfully with Kouta. It might be argued now too successfully because club like Carlton are never going to want to deal with him again given his aggressive and combative style.

Why shouldn't Kouta just like Silvagni, Bradley and other Carlton Footballers as elite sportsmen chase the almighty dollar. They know they have a finite period to make it and once they cease to perform the club will ditch them in favour of players starting to hit their peak. The market fores dictate the contractual price and history suggests Carlton made a monumental error in agreeing to an over inflated price.

Your anger should be directed at the former Carlton administration which should have shopped him around for some quality players/trade picks. We have a history of bending over to these exhorbitant player demands which has not only diminished the culture of the club but forced us to cheat the salary cap and pay the price tenfold. Just to put things into perspective, you only have to pick any two of the best players in the AFL and their combined salary would not exceed $1,000,000. We are not competing in an even playing field until this contract expires.

Was Collo around in the negotiations when Kouta's contract was signed, because if he was he should share some of the blame. Kouta cannot be blamed for the outcome or for the fact he acted in self interest.

This leads me to Pagan's contract which is reputed to be over $600,000.
I have no problem paying top dollar for a quality coach. It is a good return on investment when they get you into the finals.

Pagan would be worth every cent if this was the case as it would generate Corporate interest and investment into a successful club and raise memberships and gate receipts. The benefits flowing to the club would more than outweigh his lucrative contract.

Pagan has not delived thus far as we would have expected. If the contract recently signed with Pagan does not have performance clauses then all those parties involved in the negotiations should be sacked. On field performance is now vital to our financial survival. Already our earnings from memberships will cost us at least $5000,000 in foregone revenue. We could have got a coach on a low base $250,000 to win us a wooden spoon and diverted the $350,000 savings to debt reduction.

We should always offer performance based contracts with low bases. You would be surprised at the impact of incentive based contracts. Any resistance from player agents should force us to contemplate trading the player for the long term future of the club.