Pafloyul, Sorry. I was in a rush and did not proof read what I wrote. As you can tell there was more than one grammar error.

SOS, I have nothing against Archie and yes Prender is a bad kick for goal, but Archie's role is to push forward out of the F50 more of a link man role. With the amount of running involved I think Prender is more suited. Can run harder, faster and can take a contested mark. I would be suprised how many shots at goal Archie has had this year. At a guess I would suprised if he has had more than 3 in 4 games of footy. I am not an advocate for Prender to replace archie, I am making a comment based on our game plan and Archie's role in it.

In addition, I'm not a Pagan basher nor am I one who is complaining about the change in game plan. If you have read any of my posts, I am all for Pagan and his change in style.

Unfortunately, I was not at the game yesterday as I was in bed sick, but I was at the game against Melbourne and the Swans. Apart from the Melbourne and Freo game, I think that Archie has done ok. IMHO, instead of having 3 ruckman in the team, I would rather see 2 and have another midfielder or medium-tall so that we can have more of a rotation. In last nights game, Stevens didn't come off at all. Instead having someone like Prender or even Banno in the team you can give stevens a spell on the bench. You can't even ask a midfielder to spell in the forward pocket as they have to run almost as much if not more than the midfielders. Between running forward and in defence.

Just food for thought.

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Good post.

The fact is that Archie takes far to long to get rid of the ball, and when he does eventually gets rid of it its a 9iron chip, which plays directly into opposition hands.

For Archie to provide value he must:
- Handball at every opportuinty.
- Crash a few more packs. Hurt people.
- Make those overhead marks stick.

His mobility is a big plus put he really has a few areas to improve or else he'll be quickly superceeded. With Fev, Fish, Waitey and eventually JKennnedy, he needs to play a smarter game to survive.

A telling moment was late in the 4thQ when he let Zac Dawson take an easy chest make when he shouldve used his 100+kg frame to make a genuine contest.

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See I find it hard to really have a go at Deluca, I admire him because he keeps PRESENTING EVERY TIME. He always gives us an option and you can't fault him for this. He is also very mobile for someone his size and also seemingly pretty good getting around the ground as he keeps going until the end.

As others have said he takes too long to move the ball on and you can tell just by watching him that he is not the most assured player with the footy. But ideally we'd have someone smaller running past him for the handball who is a better kick and let them deliver the ball forward. This isn't an excuse for Deluca but more something that should happen more often anyway.

I'm not really sure what to do with him but for mine he deserves to be in the side at the moment and is certainly ahead of someone like Setanta. However it might be a bit hard to accomodate both Deluca and Kennedy when Kennedy finally gets his chance as going into a game with French, McLaren, Deluca, Kennedy, Fev, Waite etc would leaves us a bit top heavy.

Maybe for the moment though Deluca should play closer to goal and be told not to come over the centre line, see if he can use his height and take a few marks and kick some goals?

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just one in a long line of incapable players on our list.

I wouldn't be rushing to put your money on us winning the premiership this year.....

thats my response to the "DeLuca's not a good player" argument.

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As Jarusa states, the stats that count show Deluca gives us nothing in the ruck or up forward. We have another 20 players who can fullfill that role playing at the Bullants.

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Deluca was pick 79 what do you all expect

Our PSD pick is going worse - Archie at least provides an option and no he doesn't hold the ball up he looks for an option and doesn't usuallly blaze away like half of the so called better players

He is never going to be a star and should get closer to goal but he went ok last night

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NO NO NO! Deluca doesn't deserve a break. I didn't place the blame squarely on him so whoever claimed that should re read my post. You all have to stop feeling sorry for the guy and start remembering he is a professional footballer getting paid to perform. He is 200 cm + and shouldn't have an excuse for dropping one mark considering he is 99% of the time, taller than his opponents. His opponents zone off him because they no they can! Watch the Hawthorn game again..all those marks up in the middle and on the wing..his man had zoned off him stopping him from kicking the ball to our forwards( although he still did and turned it over)

I know it's difficult to see it on TV but if you go to the game and jsut watch Deluca for 5 minutes he runs around like a headless chook! He runs to the wrong spots. Heres an example. He was standing in the middle of the ground without an opponent...the Swans i think it was had the ball on the outer wing/hff area. Now one would assume the 200cm player in Deluca would run back and fill the hole. Instead he almost ran in a circle thinknig about what he needs to do and slowly while the contest was being fought out on the other wing decided he'll lurk aroudn the 50..So he was neither filling the hole incase the swans got the quick kick forward nor was he providing an offensive option incase we got the ball out....and what happened the ball spilt out and was kicked into that space he should have been filling inside the 50 corridor!
THats the stuff that ticks me off!
He has to lift his work and i dont think he is capable of doing that therefore he needs to go

MB

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He worked hard all game. WE ARE THE NEW RICHMOND.

The game was a positive for him. Getting his hands on the ball and gaining confidence. For the team though he had little impact on the game. Hopefully he can take his confidence back to the forward line and kick some goals.

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really? did you help him with some extra skill sessions after training, or something?

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I'm the one who put the gloves under his windshield wipers.

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Hawthoen were conceding him marks and possies knowing they would get the ball back quick.

I hope to God he makes way this week.

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I hope to God he stays. He was an option that continued to present throughout the game. He was one of the few taking marks forward of the centre. In the first half especially, he was good. He ran hard, he presented and we were a better team because of him.
It will be interesting at the game this week....The Richmond supporters will be bagging their own and the Carlton supporters will too....What a great atmosphere! What a joke.

Eltoro mate this is what some of us are trying to stress...those marks forward of centre..UNCONTESTED! his opponent was zoning off him to block our other forwards because they knew he wouldnt hurt them with his disposal. He is a liability!

MB

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