I think you may have stumbled into the wrong room SOS...

Great post.

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Second worst thread ever.

We shoulda won less games in year x, we coulda drafted x ...

FFS stop dwelling on the past and start supporting your team!

We'll know our draft picks at the end of the season and we just need to hope that our recruiters uncover some gold with whatever picks they have at their disposal.

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In WADA we trust

Would you mine for gold in a gold mine or in the middle of the desert?

Perhaps these people should be sent out into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights - and be tempted by the Demon of "short term success".

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

so are you playing? Are you coaching? Are you on the board?

Perhaps you own a goldmine - are you donating untold wealth to the club CG and expect things to be done your way?

Or is it that, like everyone else, you are simply wanting a strong Carlton but understand that your influence upon this happening is zilch?

And so you manage to get along to a few games, watch the kids play, hope they develop, watch some TAC, see the kids coming through, hope for this one or that one, and take everything the club does as what has happened and is happening without any influence from you whatsoever

and so you might as well enjoy the occassional win

and be philosophical about the many losses

and praise young Blackers

and smile at Santy's dash through the middle,

and be a little bit in awe of Fev's talent

and watch AB's courage and Simmo's dash and Tex's star rising....
and if these kids eke out a win you can hate the coach or despise the board and maybe even (if you are a member) vote to oust the board but at the end of every match day you may as well enjoy the win because whether you do or don't means diddly-squat.

But it is better for the soul (you remember those things do you not CG?)
to do than to don't.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'll never be able to cross the tanking line because I find it too funny that a draft pick in the late teens is supposedly going to be the difference between a premiership and mediocrity. So funny in fact I find myself laughing at inopportune times. If only it was that simple.

The day I don't want a win on the weekend is the day I stop following Carlton.

This magical "future" intrigues me. I fail to join so many's obsessive fascination with it. Only looking to the future is a recipe for constant doom and gloom, as we all know how fleeting premiership success is.

Danny has expanded on something I was prattling on about last year. But, just because I don't understand people wanting to lose doesn't make me better. I have resigned myself to the belief I will never get it. I could never ever find any enjoyment from footy if that was my approach...but that's just me.

I knew you weren't all bad
I feel the same way.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

99.9% prick.

I welcome the return to the days when we expect to win the majority of games...however we get there, I truely don't care.

What's finishing off the season well?

I'd suggest playing Kennedy, Russell, Blackwell, Carlos, Betts an perhaps giving Bower, Smith or jackson a game is finishing the season well.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I agree with Verbs

Truly a bizarre experience,

I like watching the youngsters coming through but you don't play them for the sake of it, if they are not dominating at VFL level they can still gain something by playing at that standard (especially with the experienced players we have at that level).

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I would like to know from the anti tanking lobby how they would go about rebuilding a list within a certain time frame..without the aid of early draft picks.... We all know if you cant get things done within a time period..members and sponsors drop off....I would like to read some of the alternative theory's..
Please dont quote me the Crows either...they live in paradise valley in terms of membership/facilities and have the SANFL as an exclusive development zone where they can develop kids and pluck them.....while we run some of our senior listed kids in the Bullant twos....

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

It's not just you Verbs - it's me too. Great post.

When do we turn off the losing for picks and turn on the winning for premierships? If someone can give me a definitive answer to that then I'll jump on the tanking bandwagon.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

tell all 100 gamers to breed profusely, breed males, and start young - very young.

In fact every champion that reaches a 100 should be given a year off, a harem and lots and lots of oysters!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

db's version of a youth policy I'll go with that!

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There's so much I could say...

Good point if you're not good enough for the top 4 you probably won't win it so there is no point in making the finals so you might as well finish last and get the picks and if you're still not good enough............

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

To be honest, I don’t care if we beat Hawthorn or Richmond over the next two weeks – although losing to Richmond does irk a bit. – in the end they are pretty meaningless games.

The things I want out of the rest of the season are:

• even more improvement in the kids
• Hartlett to get 2 or 3 games (not sure who would drop out though)
• the Bummers with the wooden spoon
• the Blues with a priority draft pick
• our final win of the season to screw the Filth’s chances of a Top 4 finish

It’s like a simplex equation , with the above results I achieve the optimal long term AND short term outcomes.

There is no way I want to get another wooden spoon and second last will not hurt our long term ambitions ‘coz it will get us Hansen (maybe Gibbs – you never know with that idiot Sheedy). And importantly, we end up with three picks in the top 20.

And if we cannot stuff up life for the Filth during September then it would be nice to stuff ‘em up beforehand.

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Carlton - Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
Than I used to, my love

I guess it's a case of how fine is the line were you have recruited enough A grade Youngsters, and your initial elite youngsters have had enough and begin to lose what they may never find again.......

Very tough one that, however i think we can get away with 2nd pick and a priority pick also in 2006....

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