I don't think Pagan would agree with that. Read the link above.

Probably not the brownlow, although the look through an umpires eyes is different to others. Stats would probably count a little more to them.

He may be an outside shot at AA, not that I would be betting on it. He's certainly had a good year.

So stats mean nothing but people are raving about Bassett's 21 uncontested marks...

Isn't that an argument suggesting stats still count for something in the eyes of many?

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You know what he means smart arse.
Scotland has had a great year irrespective of possessions.

Overdose on the angry pills again woof?

I was serious - why would people be raving about 21 uncontested marks if they didn't think possessions mattered?

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Because it beat the previous record for marks in an AFL game. His mark tally for the night was 22 of which 21 were uncontested. Of those 21 marks, 15 were from him being on his own receiving a 15 metre pass in his backline. Yes Collingwood allowed him to do that but their preference was for Tarrant to push back up to the wing and defence to flood.
Don't get me started on flooding.

A fan of most of our boys, but not Heath Scotland.

Stats count - yes...but the stats we have now have not varied significantly from those in 2000....the game has changed a lot.

If he was given a plus/minus rating based on stats that count such as targets hit by foot, hand, clangers, hard ball gets, tackles; mixed with stats such as turnovers under limited pressure, direct opponent accountability, valid attempts to chase / protect teammate...well - he's a minus rating for mine. The latter aren't so much stats as they are key factors that you would look for in a player you were considering recruiting.

Trade.

Wasn't a fan in the preseason. Have come full circle. Has had a great year and improved his overall game significantly.

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Champion data rankings take most of those things into account - targets hit, clangers/ turnovers (-), hard ball gets, tackles. Heath is ranked 1 at Carlton and 11 in the AFL.

I'm afraid Champion Data don't take the things I'm talking about into consideration....and I can't blame them - it's often not possible...would be unfair to put a stat against someone who called for the ball in a bad position - easy for me to spot in Level 2, Aisle 39.

Anyone read "Moneyball" by Michael Lewis? Baseball book...but spends a lot of time focussing on what sort of stats required to really guage how good a player is. Don't lecture me on baseball stats - I eat them for breakfast - all I'm saying is...one day - someone will see where footy has got to and make the distinct correlation...

I actually believe Scotland adds the link we've been missing for a while.
Previously we would get the ball to half back and bomb the ball to a contest. Scotland provides the overlap from defence to run the ball and kick over the line that assembles ahead of play.

Yes he does occasionally turn the ball over but he usually takes the attacking creative option which is high in risk but high in benefit.
He has his negatives like all AFL players but IMHO, his benefit to the team structure far outweighs his negatives. His run through the middle is invaluable.

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From where I sit I really don't think turnovers are a glaring weakness...I reckon his disposal by foot is excellent & as another poster pointed out he often has to wait for players to run back to the HF line so he has something to kick to.

Heard him interviewed on 927 earlier this year & he attributes part of his improvement to training his body down, ie losing a bit of weight to improve endurance.

Well done Heath

no chance, fevola by rights should easily win our brownlow count and best and fairest count if he wins the coleman, simply outstanding.

scotland though has had a good year but nothing outstanding

woewoodin won a brownlow.............























anything can happen

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Scotland poles well and has had a great year.If the Blues had won 8 to 10 games he would be a chance.Wont get enough 3s.

No chance....

You just dont get the big votes in losing teams... Its a fact