I put this in another thread but prob better in its own thread

This Carlton we cant accept this mediocroty anymore

Back to back spoons .... 20+ wins in 4 years
Finishes in 15th / 10th / 16th / 16th
Yep we have had penalties yep the AFL kicked us with a massive fine and draft penalties
But as has been stated other clubs have been in similar positions ie Finacially or where they finished and these are clubs with half the potential supporter base the Blues have and have had much harder issues in getting Sponsers... Yet these clubs have built and learnt the new AFL... have attracted some great sponsers and turned there fortunes around.

The Blues are / where one of the power houses as i stated before we where ruthless and made tough decisions but also displayed alot of wrong arrogance in not changing there ways to adapt to the New AFL Format.
From this we have to learn and keep building and return to our strength but we should go back to being Ruthless

The Board .... Need to start making hard decisions not look like they have no idea .... get people who can make tough decisions if some of the current ones dont have the balls. And i dont mean stupid decisions calculated and forward thinking.

The Coaching Panel .... if 2 spoons and 17 wins in 3 seasons is accpetable then something is majorly wrong .... Make a decision and make it quick .... Way up the future possibilies if we need to target a coach from a filed of current assistant coaches and that brings something positive maybe paying out PAgan isnt sucha a bad thing . Put the guy on a performance contract and tell him you g ot 2 years to show you can improve this list and make it happen .... And you have Some good talent now at your disposal and come draft day Picks 1 / 17 / 19.
Maybe even say you will get paid $200K for 1st year achieve a result thats agreed on and then 2nd year get paid something better and 3d year renegotiate depending on how the list improves..
Also means he can aquire his own assistants ... total restructure..
If this dosnt work out then show something like changes in the assistants ... someone has to pay for this innept performance ......

Players - This is the super draft and if we work it properly we need to capitalise .... Now is the chance to cut any maybes and not good enoughs .... Even people who we think should go but have another year left on there contract ... just make the tough decision and say sorry you dont fit into our future ....

The players on the list who remain cant really get upset as we have finished 16th 2 years in a row

Yep this is now the time to make all those hard calls no point in sentimentality anymore ....

At this stage there are a good goup of players who should be safe .... but there would be 8-12 who certainly would be on tender hooks..

The coach well i think all could be replaced .... if it ways up being better ... maybe benefactors will come back .. maybe supporters will sign up to the new look Blues .... maybe we get more sponser support. This will pay for anything we pay out but of course needs to be assessed to see if it is worthwhile popersition but it has t obe looked at and if that is the way to go then make the harshe decision.

Board level the same ... above


All i want to see if the Blues moving forward and showing that it isnt accepting any more medicrity and is back to making hard decisions .. I want to see the Blues back as a powerhouse again .... and i think that making tough decisions will do that who will complain who is goping to say you cant do that ..... look at the position of the club 16th and 16th 2 years running.

The Blues in the past never accepted this shit nor should the blues now

MAKE A STAND

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Sorry Wolfe, i just witnessed your ideas thrown in the "too hard basket" by the Board.

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If they last....the board that is. They don't deserve to be called a board, rather a bunch of amateurs and opportunists in it for their self indulgence.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Yer you are prob right i just needed to vent and have a rant on how pathetic this club my club has need and i really do hope that someone is addressing this and will start to stir the club and push some changes

It has to happen and somehow a message has to be sent to the board .... Either they have to shown that if they make tough decisions that they will be backed or force and get people on who will make the decisons needed . If you change the board then its easier to make changes to other areas as they wernt there when the decisions where made...

Man i am just pissed that all .....i am sure we will improve next year but i still think there are people and board / coaching that should be held accountable ..

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We need the board to stay long enough to turf Den Den ... before they cop a taste of their own medicine.

Until there is an independant assesment on all things around the club nothing will change.
You cant blame the kids .. you cant blame the players brought in...

But somewhere something is wrong.

We cant hide from it.. its not the recruiting... but it needs to be addressed.
This club should not have re signed Kouta when we need money to a) sack Denis and his group
b) Bring in a heap of coaches to help us develop the kids.
c) sign our kids.

Were just doing everything wrong!

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We're as rotten as we were in 2002.

The only difference is that the playing list is on the up, and not on the down, as it was four years ago.

TIME FOR A NEW BOARD AND COACH PLEEEAAAAAAAAASE

well if back to back spoons cant state the obvious to all concerned then i dont know what will.

Frig the Blues of the past would put the coach on notice for not making the 8 and make some decisions regardless of what the consequence now we just go and do what we do get 2 back to back spoons and nobody is made accountable.

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Until the club realises this is a new football competition and its not the VFL.. its the AFL we will be the StKilda of the AFL.

I think theyre just expecting it to happen...... they dont have a clue on what to do.

Make flower REAL and HARD Decisions... and thats not getting rid of the no namers...

Its getting rid of blokes that are not the future and developing the kids

Its sacking coaches who are no longer relevant in todays football genre and replacing them with coaches and an infrustructure that is.

then the board can sack themselves and replace themselves with modern day thinkers to go with the modern day football team.

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Well i think to have a proper review needs to come from a change in coaching.

A new coach dosnt have the baggage of favorites and can make decisions that people wont scrutinise as much because the club is where it is at for a reason.

Keep the current situation in its current status and nothing changes.. or very little change happens.

For the on field changes starts with the coaching this change will initiate proper change at the player level.

The board yer wll that has to come from a credible alternative and has to come from outside

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Hi folks. Long time reader, first time poster, bit nervous.

I agree with you wolf but the start has to be an attitude change with the supporters. Too many readily accepting of our position. Too many seeing positives where there arent any. Too many supporters pumping up players who will never make it, thereby delaying the acknowledgement of the obvious fact that we are in serious trouble.

We pick the board, the board picks the coach and appoints recruiting staff.

It's our fault.

I tell yas..........

the fact we've gone ten posts and no-ones complained
about......"medicrity".........is mediocrity in itself...........!


kindest regards tommi

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I think after this year people we will see an improvement. I believe Carlton has decided that we need to 'top up' on quality draft kids this year. We have lost a lot of games by under 20 points this year and haven't seen the spankings like other years. But another season like this one and I can tell you that Pagan is certainly gone!

Does Mediocre mean the same as Rock Bottom?

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haha I like where you are going with this one, wouldn't mind if we were mediocre at this stage, instead we're just plain @#$%&! shit

You just know we are going to come up to trade week, and that at the end of it nothing will have happened. We'll still be sitting around with (take your pick) Stevens, Lance, Houlihan, etc on the books. I'm not advocating we get rid of all of these guys - just getting rid of one to secure ourselves a better position in the draft would be nice. But it won't happen - and we'll go around again with the same ageing plodders and lack of hope.

Two frustrating facets of Carlton's problem:

1) You need a massive financial injection into the club to begin to turn it around. In your current state this is unattractive to the "Market" so it must almost certainly come from aprivate benefactor who cares enough.

2) If the funds come, then you can only directly invest in off-field assets. This makes it an inexact science as to whether this investment actually provides an on-field result. And even if it does, there is no real benefit to the benefactor unless his/her company is the major sponsor and they receive massively discounted advertising exposure in a cost/benefit equation over years of investment. Subsequently, such benefactors will be rare.

This system we operate in does allow for quick turnarounds so long as a combination of money, playing stock and committed leadership in terms of strategy, marketing, administration & support staff are all present or can be quickly acquired.

Whilst I don't want to sound like I'm saying I told you so, a large part of the current situation is due to the non-acceptance of just how poor your playing stock was going back to 2001/2002. When Carlton thought that the 2002 season and wooden spoon was their lowest point (uncharted waters as it were), the sugar-coated appointment of Denis Pagan only masked the fact that "bust" was still 3 or 4 years down the track.