If there can be a way found to complete stage1 and change PP into an AFL sponsored interstate venue then I am all for it. There could be at least 22 games played taking undue stress off both the dome & MCG surfaces. PP surface is beautiful, half the stands are relatively new and upgrading toilets is trivial. In the meantime it could still be the umpires, the storm, the uni blues and whoever else’s training ground and our social club would be thrown a lifeline.

Mordan, I know you can read because you are on this site, so please at the very least read my post again before you answer and ask questions about only 4 games being played there and where money will be generated from.

Whether you agree with it or not, there is only so many times people can say the same thing.

Surrey that has been tried. When the new stand went up we had a deal with the AFL for several teams to play some 'home' matchs there. They arked up so much that the AFL paid us for those games not to be played at PP. Clubs like Melbourne and Hawthorn and North do much better playing 'home' games interstate. Look at the attendances for Melbourne's games at PP against interstate sides. They were embarrassing

If we want to be a VFL side, then lets join the VFL. We would probably do quite well. But the AFL is different and if we don't catch up we may be back to being a VFL side whether we want to or not.

I wasn't referring to your plan Surrey, I was responding to blue-insider and continuing on our previous conversation. He wanted Carlton to play games against interstaters at PP. Hence my question.

But to address you post, do you really think any other Melbourne club would accept having home games scheduled at PP? Even against interstate teams?

PP used to be great. But the AFL and political climate changed. The only way playing games at PP would be viable would be if it became a genuine third ground. That would require big investment from the government and councils. The government won't put the money into a ground without the infrastructure to support it. No rail line, not enough parking, PP will never be it. Time to move on. If we'd realised this as a club a little earlier, we'd be in a much better position off-field now.

you gotta do better than that mate.
its an issue close to alot of peoples hearts.

....upon reading futher i see u have!
nvm.

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Exactly, already been tried and already flopped.

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I thought our arrangement with the Dome was as good as, if not better than, Essendons? 30,000 breakeven seems very high??

The figure is a few years old but is fact. Anyone here questioning it should do their homework and see for themselves. Seriously

And where does your 18k break even for PP factor in the huge cost of upgrading the whole stadium, including training facilities, to current standard?

Not to mention the loss of the redevelopment funds for the training facilities redevelopment etc.

In your corner. Now.

Ahh.. So whenever you don't actually have an answer for a question you just resort to cheap shots? You've offered nothing at all to show how it's even a remote possibility to make it work moving games back to PP. There are numerous unanswered questions in this thread that must be answered before we could even contemplate the move, yet you can't answer them.

I'm seeing the trend too, Mordan.

Mate, by all means stick to your guns on this but at least refer to information/stats/money figures.

The petty insults are doing nothing for your credibility.

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How much time do you and Mordon spend in the closet?

You talk about credibility. You talk about fact.

Every point and figure (if you bothered to read) stated earlier is fact. If you wanted to prove me wrong you would have sourced it from the club yourself and posted the info here with exactly who you spoke to. *edited by mods*

You are making the claims, so you first.

And perhaps try to answer my and Mordan's questions rather than just throw insults when asked a question you don't appear to like.

"You First" - such school yard stuff. Get off your high horse HP. What's the point of telling someone they're wrong if you can't prove it.

I'll be the first to admit I enjoy watching events at Telstra and think its a great venue for families to watch sport.
I think we need to embrace the Dome and make it our own....
Princes Park has some great memories but it was a humpy of a stadium for facilities and i think its time we moved on and followed the lead of Collingwood and Essendon* and got with the times and started looking after the paying supporters and members....

We seem to have a back to the future approach now Richard Pratt is involved......we are starting to look back again and trying to cling to the old ways cos they were successful back then, first bring back Elliott, now move back to Princes Park....let it go ...its not the way forward....
Lets build our elite training facility and be on comparable terms with Collingwood with " Lexus" but the days of the homeground in the burbs are over....

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And just wait until we have 40,000 members and are filling the dome for home games because we're an exciting and competitive side again.

The Wizard cup final against West Coast was a great atmosphere because the place was full and mostly Carlton supporters.

You can't compare home games at PP back when we were a competitive side with games at the Dome over the last 4 years.

You have made claims contrary to statements issued by the Board over the last couple of years.

You have produced figures without attribution which you claim are "fact".

I suggest you follow your own advice, and produce the source and detailed financials and associated assumptions behind your claimed "factual" costs.

Otherwise, your claims have no credibility.

In other words, back up your claims or shut up.

btw, I learned lots of things at school. One of them was not to make claims such as you have made unless I am prepared to substantiate them in details, and defend them when challenged.

Indeed, school yard stuff. Defend your claims.