By the end of his career i think it would be fair to call Lance a champion. Especially after he takes out this years Best and Fairest. All Australian in the past, kicked many goals, smart player. Only thing he would love is a premiership which i doubt he will get.

sp would you trade him on no account? Or under certain conditions?

I have wrapped with Lance this year and would accept the club's decidion if he were made captain. And I'd take a top ten pick or two great picks without blinking.

Why?

Because Lance is now a CHB and probably must finish up there (yeh I know BV you ant him forward) but if Fev, Kennedy, Fish and Waite are all going to play forward then Lance must be our backline general.

But....

two kids from the superdraft

or a top ten.

Yep! Because this list still has too many holes and because I fear the game will only get faster and a slow guy is easier to take out of a game than a fast guy - even one as smart as Lance. This does not mean I want Lance to go only thatr for the right deal I think he is someone would could lose (and someone other clubs would want) without hurting too much.

Haviong said all that, gee its been great to see him turn it around

and don't you hate the draft system that turns players into tokens. Which is what Synbad (for all his faults, big fat bastard) wants us to come to grips with.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

All this talk about trading for draft picks. Let's see how teams who have built from high draft picks are travelling:

* St Kilda - peaking at the right time together (NOT!!)
* Fremantle - need AFL to win them games
* Geelong - to busy getting big heads in a big country town

Now let's look at the premiers for the past 10 years
97-98 Adelaide - home grown talent, players who were imported (Jarman, McLeod) effectively win them 2 flags
96-99 Nth Melb - Carey, who else do you need
00 Essendon* - No hig draft picks there bar lloyd (Hird 79)
01-03 Brisbane - combo of locals, Fotzroy and imports
04 PA - locals and imports
05 Sydney - how many high draft picks did they have?? One of their highest, J McVeigh, didn't even play in the GF.

All this talk of superdraft is crap. How do we know it's a super draft?? I'd like someone to give me proof all these juniors will be champions. Why would we trade someone who is now the fabric and leader of the palying group for essentially UNTRIED AT AFL LEVEL young talent. Drafting is not the panacea, history has proven this.

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Wow. Who let a reasoned and intelligent post into this thread?

sorry bluechampion, i took leave of my senses. normal transmission has returned

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Sorry - not convinced. You didn't slag anyone off...

Unfortunately your post has a significant flaw. Just as unpredictable as a draft is Lance Whitnall's form and attitude towards the game. History suggests that the his performance in the future will fluctuate from very good to very poor. History suggests that keeping him is just as big a punt as taking an early draft pick.

Welcome to life in the AFL.

dear Barass,

appropriate name really, all you did was say things weren't without offering proof. Because you say it isn't (and the experts say it is) doesn't mean it isn't a super draft.

Same gos with the rest of your response. Nice yelling and so what.

Lance is doing really well. I'm glad. I'd still trade him FOR THE RIGHT PICKS. My opinion, stick your yelling up your clapper.

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It's The Devil you know vs. The Devil you don't.

I despise Geelong, but I'd love to know your rationale for adding them in this list. Team built from high draft picks???????

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Oh Dannyboy, so much to learn!

Give me proof and I'll shut up! So much the for the right picks when Hamill walked

The ghosts of Massie and Vance still haunt us. I wouldn't trust our recruiters to get it right 2 years in a row - would you?

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I despise Geelong, but I'd love to know your rationale for adding them in this list. Team built from high draft picks???????

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Yes actually I would. I respect Hughes and figure he knows a hellava lot more about the kids than the likes of you and me.

Our problem in the past was really not embracing the draft and sometimes I think we still suffer from it.

as for the Livo year (as I assume thats who you wish to point the finger at) Didak went at 3 so i feel justified in saying that was not a deep (rread super) draft and no one or nor no where that I have read (something you should try sometime) has ever refered to that year as a super draft but the Judd draft - that was called a super draft - and I think they got that about right, don't you?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Is the 2000 draft where the following players were picked up:

Kane Cornes (20), Jamie Charman (29), Adam McPhee (39), Josh Hunt (44) and Chris Newman (55). Sorry I almost missed Daniel Cross (56).

Maybe I need to read, but at least I can count past 3.

Uh, Daniel Kerr went at pick 18.

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Why does everything get so pointlessly personal in this thread?

Charman wasn't on the market because he was a zone selection for the Lions.

How about how the Hawks and Tigers built their brilliant young lists?

Or stuffing up with Hamill for pick four and Mansfield for pick 31 (Chapman) ?

I'd definitely trade Lance if we were presented with an offer that was too good to refuse and so would you.

Amusing stuff there Barass but you might be on to something with the recruiters not getting right two years in a row


Russell -Harlett - Blackwell - Chambers - Longmuir- Raso - Betts

as against

Murphy - Kennedy- Bower - Edwards - Saddington - Maclaren

Hmmm - Interesting

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The Chapman one hurts!


I agreed with getting rid of Campo, Allan, Murphy (J) and Beaumont (not that they were worth much), but not Lance and not Fev for that matter. What we need is some stability and build around a core leadership group - team dynamic and team morale are so much more important than unknown draft picks, plus we'll have plenty of opportunity to pick up talent IF the draft is so good. In fact if it's so good and deep, why don;t we delist 6 players and use 6 selections in the draft?

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ever played pin the tail on the donkey?

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