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The statement by the Club is excellent. Straight to the point. As I said last night, just because it's in the media doesn't make it true.

If I may use another posters trademark - Source?

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On SEN did DA mention how Kouta's media offers were going or if there was any interest in him?

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Still stand by what I said if it was being handled correctly we would not know about it. Dirty Dave should have no reason to go to the Hun and the club trying to clarify it just make me think Dirty Dave might be right in the case otherwise the comment could have just been dismissed as Fluff .

and by the way I think Kouta should retire

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SB, Dave does this everytime... it's got to do with him and his grubby expectations, and what he's prepared to do to meet them.

I like how you implement your trademark ignorance on that point to chase that agenda of yours.

Did Denis contribute to this situation?

jimmae,

I'm not at all anti-Kouta. I think he's been a great of the club. However,
I don't think he is worth $200K because:

- His performance doesn't justify this sort of money
- His leadership doesn't justify this sort of money
- There are better players at the club on a lot less money
- he will still earn good money doing off-field marketing for the club.
- Our club can't afford to pay him more
- He wouldn't be paid more from any other club next year

Examples?

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I'm fairly sure the minimum he can be paid is around the 150k mark.

Obviously if that's what the club are offering, and the salary cap is going up over 5% (I think), they're planning on shifting the dynamic so that players that deserve a pay rise will get a pay rise.

Also, the marketing agreements portion of the TPP is probably in Fevola's favour now, and he wouldn't be earning much out of it.

I hope the club aren't offering 400k as suggested earlier, they should be shifting others contracts around so they earn a bit more cash, Kade Simpson, Scotland and so forth.

Cap it at 300k for Kouta, and piss DA off like AGRO said.

Looks like your're going to have to find new revenue streams to keep up the payments on your investment portfolio Allison - @#$%&! OFF!!

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Jimmae i dont care what Dave does and doesn't do the point I am trying to make is the club should not be entering into discussions for Kouta next year - They should be planning his fairwell match round 21 in Melbourne and round 22 in Sydney . The option should not have been discussed . Someone anyone with in the club should have sat down with Kouta and said well son the time has come it happens to all footballers at some time of another Kouta knows this so does Dirty Dave and so does the entire footballing public . This crap saying here you are Kouta if you want to play here is some small change is bullshit and insulting and deserves the treatment Dirty Dave has done to it. No offer should have been forth coming Kouta should have been encourage to retire for the good of himself and the club it happens to all footballers at some time .

Do you get that Jimmae and who ever

and note not one anti Pagan word mentioned Jimmae

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He's still worth 200k make no mistake.

We're not that well off for talented players and he still has the capacity to kick a goal and hit a target. His ability to win the hard ball in the last few years has been invaluable even if his 2000 form is but a distant memory. He's finally getting some midfield help this year and he can play a role next year for sure. Only 100k will get counted in the salary cap and for the first time in a long time we'll be able to say he's worth more than what we're paying him.

Some people really overestimate the capabilities of our list ATM.

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Camelboy, go through my posts re our Captain. i've been on the mark anout his accountability from when I joined TBV, only now some have seen the reasoning behind my so called Kouta bashing. Same with your mate Camporeale. I was advocating his demise as a CFC representative 4 years ago, for pretty much the same reasons as advocating our captains demise.

Sentiment is great to a degree, but it's the club I support not the individual.

If they were such a great influence on the field and behind the scenes, then our win loss record over the last 5 years wouldn't be so deplorable.

They are money hungry and their only concern is themselves and continues to be so with our captain.

He should be overjoyed with $200k, not taking the piss and demanding that he is worth more.

How is unaccountabilty has been tolerated by the match committee for so long is bemusing, frustrating and incomprehensible.

He offers nothing. Please retire or try your luck in the draft and then see what others are prepared to pay you. I'm betting it would be a lot less than the $200k put before him.

Where's your conscience, captain???

SB - Well done!

The club's statement insinuates that they have merely raised the idea of playing on with Kouta, who is apparently enthused.

They've obviously then started negotiations, which would be in their infancy, and DA does his one and only trick of spitting the dummy and calling it an outrage, so that his player gets the best possible deal.

A feral with contacts, that's all the guy seems to be.

Club mismanagement? Hardly.

The only mismanagement was Kouta letting himself get conned into signing on with Allison.

If Kouta does stay on for $200K, it brings about an interesting situation. Over the last 2 years, his and Lance's salary cuts would total about $600K a year.

With a very young list, and many under the $250K level, it probably puts us well below the 92.5% minimum TPP.

Maybe there's something else going on which won't be revealed until the PSD, when it appears we may have plenty of cash to splash.

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Give him $201,000.

You're a winner if your business is going about predicting the demise of players. Even if it takes four or five years, you'll eventually be proven right. Heaven forbid they'll play forever.

I suppose we could add Campo's contract to those savings also ...

200k is about the average player payment in the AFL. The agreed minimum is about $50K plus match payments. Don't think age matters.