Hawthorn have done brilliantly with their rookies, Carlton not so bad too, especially if Jamison and Jackson turn out as we hope.

I'd be interested to know Cazz's view on this...it seems that clubs are having a fair amount of succsess with rookies. Why is this?

Don't have time at the moment, but it would be interesting to compare the success rate of players who are selected, say, 50+ in the National Draft, as against the success rate of players taken in the Rookie Draft.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

It will be interesting to see how many of our rookies are still playing seniors when we're in the top 4.

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Thornton came off the rookie list to

I reckon it just shows that recruiting is in no way an exact science. There are guys who at 18 show flaws that look insurmountable or nothing at all. That doesn't stop them from having enough character to make up for it and the Rookie draft's a great place for a second chance for both players and recruiters.

Just because 16 recruiters and their assistants might overlook a Sam Mitchell or an Eddie Betts doesn't necessarily mean they were wrong at the time - only in hindsight - which is a talent that many in here seem to have in spades.

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Yes - but before the period from which the above lists were taken.

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my oops!

GWS wrote:


My sentiments exactly.

A lot of people laud the recruiting of Hawthorn however conveniently forget the fluffed early selections of Dowler, Ellis, Brennan etc. They also gave away pick #6 in 2003 for Danny Jacobs. Likewise Collingwood who stuffed up their first round selections in both 2003 and 2004 with Billy Morrison and Chris Egan.

Richmond fans have the most to complain about IMO. Tambling, Meyer and Oakley Nicholls all a waste.

Anyway I think the recruiter with the best track record in recent times is Craig Cameron.

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A correction - Hawthorn picked up Roughead and Franklin with their priority pick and first round pick in 2004. Lewis was picked up with a traded pick.



One more thing...

Whilst I would have liked us to be more aggressive with trading older players a few years back in defence of our list management over the last few years it should be added that whilst the Hawks don't have one player on their list that has come to them in a trade (Dew was picked up in the draft) we still have seven including Cloke, Hadley, Judd and Scotland. When you take trades and the draft together over the last five years (not including last year's draftees) the significant list additions (not including Rookies) over that time are as follows:


Hawthorn
Roughead
Franklin
Lewis
Taylor
Ellis
Birchall
Guerra


Carlton
Simpson
Fisher
Walker
Stevens
Betts
Murphy
Bower
Gibbs
Cloke
Hadley
Judd
Scotland


And then of course there's Matthew Kreuzer...

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I wouldn't quite call Ellis fluffed just yet. I also think CC might be the first to admit he doesn't have the best record with respect to recruiting bigger blokes.

I wouldn't call the pick of Ellis fluffed AT ALL. He is getting a game each week in their best 22 and deservedly so. I'd hazard a guess to say that if the Hawks make a Prelim and GF he will be in the team. He hasn't looked back since breaking into the team in the last 3rd of 2007.

Dowler is the big concern for the Hawks. Brennan was under a different head recruiter who is nolonger at the club.

Regards Cazzesman

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If WH had of picked him he would have been

Ellis gets a lot of cheap possessions and doesn't do much with them.

Amazing to see Browne get a game when we should have drafted a KPP and gone for Gourdis.

What are we doing?

Can't agree, I had Browne as a top 20 pick. To get him in the 30's will prove to bargain, this kid can play.

Browne's a ripper, and I've liked (in a hurtful way) what I have seen of Ellis this year.

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Capisce?

Actually WH was right on the money with Beau. He had some minor concerns and so far those concerns are still there for the Hawks to sort through.

Regards Cazzesman

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I doubt the Hawk supporters would readily agree with you and the fact he keeps getting a game suggests that neither would the Hawks MC.

He's a very smart footballer who will never be in an under player but so far his team-mates, Young and Birchall have had short and effective careers, that haven't required them getting a hard ball.

Hawks have plenty of tough nuts and they need a few like Ellis to round out the team. He rarely turns it over if you watch him closely he knows how to find and make space.

Regards Cazzesman

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Grigg, Bower, Hadley ( a stroke of genius), Pfeiffer (he is 20), Cloke a value pick). Wayne Hughes and his boys are doing the business. I like the strategy of picking safe bets in the first round and our later picks are paying off too.

In 2010 - I will give a definitive comparison of Shaun Grigg and Scott Pendlebury.


I have a sneaking suspicion we are going to have our noses in front.

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