Many of those anti and antagonistic posts from a few months back revolved around the attitude of ......'Poor this, Poor that and 'Poor the other'. This is shit, that is shite, everything is shite.

The argy bargy came, (yes from me alot) because I didn't agree with those 'doom merchants'. I never beleived that enough time had been given, to those in charge of CFC, to fix everything that was broken. That rebuilding was only going to come from the ground up and it takes time. The Club is and always will be a giant jigsaw puzzle and the peices needed to gathered and slotted in one at a time.

11 weeks in and the Club is slowly starting to show it is heading in the right direction in many, many areas.

In the past my main arguments have tended to be with those posters who.......

- Wanted instant gratification.
- Had no concept of what it takes to rebuild an AFL club from A) The depths we were coming from and B) From the mistakes we had made.

The beast that is the AFL does not allow for quick fixes (Unless you are GC17 or GWS) with the Draft and the Salary cap It is often 3 steps forward and 2 steps back over many years before a Club gets it right. Some never do get it right.

I don't think the site is going stale or slipping. I just think that those who were shouting the loudest in a negative fashion now see the value in giving Ratten and Co some time to finish the puzzle.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

This is shit, that is shite, everything is shite.

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#DonTheStash

I rest my case Your Honor

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

I LOVE that book Cee Kay.........!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Your-Poo-Te ... 0811857824

this one?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

It does have a certain seductive charm as a philosophical viewpoint...

@#$%&! the lot of ya!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

..........!


kindest regards tommi











ya know...........i still get excited when i post a pic successfully..........!



thank you Cee Kay..............!







we had a lovely day.........!

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Also easy to remember You know where you stand with everyone with that one

Indeed, I was being a bit over descriptive to make a point. I know of one website not related to sport that was effectively killed by what internet nerds would call one big flame war. However, It can be a case of 'be careful what you wish for'.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I know of one website very much related to sport and the carlton football club that was effectively killed by what internet nerds would call one big flame war....

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Congratulations CK95

That may be, but for a long time it was all talk and no backhand. When the hand finally came out, there was a lot of crying.

Perhaps it was difficult to enforce rules on friends - and I think everyone can respect that to a degree - but eventually it impacts everyone negatively. And it did.


Shutup and write a poem about it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Was it a mercy killing?

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

back in the 80s and early 90s usenet newsgroups were the only means to have these kinds of discussions. Being a mad keen skier, and having access because I was working in Telecom Research Laboratories (shut down by Trujillo and his cronies end 2005 btw), I used to participate in the newsgroup rec.skiing which later became rec.skiing.alpine. It was generally very civilised and I met a few members from the US when I visited a couple of times on ski trips. In 1995-1996 there was a flood of new participants as aol came online, and it became much less civilised. Eventually it was virtually ruined by one person who it appears was an internet sociopath and decided he wanted to ruin it because it was visited by someone to whom he had taken an extreme dislike. All the regulars just drifted away because of the constant flare ups caused by this one person and others who at times tried to take issue with him.

Sites like this need moderation, because as most here have probably witnessed over the years, sometimes the flame wars just become a huge disincentive. Some personalities just love shoving their opinions down others' throats and don't care much about diplomacy (no not referring to anyone active in this thread). How much moderation? About as long as a piece of string I reckon. Fan forums of course are more prone to strong emotional rants than discussions regarding skiing technique or the best run at Jackson Hole.

TC is an unofficial website
Freedom of speech
It became too overally moderated
So many of the more colourful characters have left.

Banning TP was a joke
Ratten cant get up at a press coference an say Stevo sleeps with the light on.
We could and it was funny. And the cyclic arguments was only in a small % of TP
Yet it was banned probably because the club might have warned the site

That is sad and its bitten TC on the arse

That's were effective moderation comes in I guess. Bluehammer in his excellent post, I think, highlighted the issues facing the Mods and Jimmae has pointed out that difficulties can arise in moderating friends. It's a tough one and a balancing act between allowing robust debate, but at the same time not letting things escalate into a "flame war"

I also think some need to just role with the punches and if you don't like engaging in a bit of argy bargy, just ignore those who give you a backhander or two and move on to another thread, unless it becomes a bit of cyber stalking and they continually attack you, then it becomes a mod problem. So again I guess it still all comes down to effective moderation that has rules that are as clear as possible and are applied as consistently as possible. Not always easy I would imagine.

I guess with that being the case then you have to look at whether or not some of the personalities involved with that sites downfall are making the same mistakes on here?

Not true whatsoever.

Ir was shut down for reasons we've explained before and its reincarnation is a much better version.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Freedom of Speech also brings with it major issues these days. Websites have been sued due to FofS and I doubt you will put your hand in your pocket for the so called FofS should someone try to sue TC simply because a poster hiding behind a keyboard in the shaddows has a big gob.

If you want your FofS then post on CSC or the other spinoff.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

That is your view and you are entitled to it