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So if Collingwood go into this game with 6 of their best players out we should do our very best to win it even if it means next year they have a better team than us out on the park.. and we dont bring into the club the best possible talent???

Sometimes you have to use some nouse to see you through....


maybe we should stop worrying about other F@%&#! clubs fortunes and do everything in our power to move forward.

tanking to get picks, is cheap, and has about a much class as a $2 street whore. It does nothing for the kids, or the culture around the place.

why sell our soul to come last so we can play the game and get some picks.

screw that, i want my club to stay ture to itself and the proud histroy we have made by working and are being the best. I want us to do everything we can to win everyweek. and if that somehow reduces our future chances (even though the system probably wont last much longer), well then so be it. atleast it wont be a hollow victory, knowing it is simply our trun on the AFL merry-go-round.
atleast when we do get some where we can be mighty proud of our acomplishments.

i dont want a F@%&#! AFL manufactured flag were we have to lay ourselves down to become the next hand out club like the saints.

i want up to pick and nurture and develop our our kids and turn a few of them into stars.
if some other clubs sell themselves out to get a better chance at better kids then fine with me, atleast we will still have our culture and pride.

it may just be that we simply aren't good enough to get off the bottom this year, in which case then fine, but atleast i know we tried our best.


Famous last words..... "pride" "screw that"" ""i dont want help" "mighty" blah blah blah....

Thats how you get yourself into trouble... by thinking youre better than what you are.

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How about replacing those words with "smarter" " taking adavantage of " " long term plan " "restructure " "future not past" ..

Our major problem is we have never been in this position so we dont really know how to get out of it.
Well when youre at the bottom you have to not think like you did when you were at the top and you have to beg borrow and steal all you can to get to the top again...

Street smart and survival.. not remembering your glorious past will work.
Your past just clouds were youre really at.

Your past should just be a cue to where you want to get back to again. To drive yourself to... but you cant pretend thats where youre at today.

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what's the point of all this? tank don't tank what is a tank, take you tank and...?

Really what's the point? Why are we spending endless hours going over it?.

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Danny a lot of people here believe we are tanking, I think it is their way of not aknowledging how crap we really are.
We are the worst side in the comp, will be lucky if we win this week and have no hope in the last 2 rounds. Barrack your heart out this week cause it's the only chance of joy we have for the rest of the year.

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I know how crap we are this year. My concern is we dont throw away a Marc Murphy and a pick by winning a game against a club that has alot of players out whilst we have a full side in.

That would be a tragedy of Epic proportions.

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I'm with you Game, think we are shit and the outcome is the outcome due to shittiness not tanking.

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i cant read this shit anymore.

wanting to lose to the pies. flower that. i dont care what silver linning it presents.

i'd rather win this game and lose the next two if i had a choice. who knows maybe the pies will beat the crows or dogs.

if the pies beat us on our own merits like in round 3 then fine i can live with that. i cant live with players tanking games.

all this tank talk is bullshit anyway because any player worth his weight in salt will be out their doing their utmost to win. whether it be a first gamer or a vetran like bucks, they will all be out there trying to knock us off.

a close loss i could handle as long and the endevour and spirt is there like it has been in recent weeks.

in reckon we will win this and loose to the dons and roos. that way even in one of our worst years we will have A) avoided a spoon (maybe) B) won the wizard cup C) beaten all of our arch rivals atleast once, in richmond, Essendon* and the pies



I so wish there was more of this attitude here.


No, I think that many of us here are just realists.

Carlton DESPERATELY NEEDS these kids. Through our own history of bad drafting, and through some really draconian penalties (for which we have only ourselves to blame - but it doesn't make them any less harsh), we really need this injection of talent to help us rise back up the ladder.

So, yes, I want us to lose on the weekend. As much as I loathe Collingwood. And i'm pretty ashamed to want to lose too.

The problem with this is - at what point do we start wanting the team to win? 8 rounds into next season and we've won 1 game, lost 7 - do I start hoping the team will lose, so we have a chance of picking up a Judd or a Luke Ball in that years draft?

It's not something to just turn on and off. The only way it will be eradicated is if radical draft concessions for underperforming teams is taken away.

But, as Terry Wallace said - does this leave an unfair advantage to St Kilda, who have milked the last place concessions for successive years, and now look set to dominate the competition with its list of stars for the next 5 years? An interesting point.

So whilst I don't mind if we lose this weekend, I've got the club at heart, really. I don't think that it makes me any less of a supporter than any other person on this site.


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I'm with you Game, think we are shit and the outcome is the outcome due to shittiness not tanking.


I'd like to see you post that one on the cFC you big pansy!!!














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You can swap sh!t with young and developing if you like.

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Anyone seen the pies injury list. It is flower huge and full of half-decent players.
In reality tanking doesnt happen and if we cant beat them this week then we truly are worse than fitzroy of the mid 90s. I have said it before and ill say it again, the PP wont help that much if we dont win this week, it will take ten PPs.

To realisticly get enough talent to get our list going again it will take 5 years of this shit and I dont want that. I just want to say that I am a Calrton supporter and tehn not get laughed at. Life sucks.


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To realisticly get enough talent to get our list going again it will take 5 years of this shit and I dont want that. I just want to say that I am a Calrton supporter and tehn not get laughed at. Life sucks.


And how long do you think it'll take if we don't bring a PP?

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Must be hard at school Locke being a Blues fan these days. When I was 14 I thought it was bad losing the 93 GF and all the crap I copped about that.

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And how long do you think it'll take if we don't bring a PP?


PJ if you read some of my other stuff I said that now I think that we need a PP badly, It is a bit of a dilema, though, I dont want to tank but i want the PP. It dont matter though, were not good enough to win 2 more games for the yaer.


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And how long do you think it'll take if we don't bring a PP?


PJ if you read some of my other stuff I said that now I think that we need a PP badly, It is a bit of a dilema, though, I dont want to tank but i want the PP. It dont matter though, were not good enough to win 2 more games for the yaer.
I dont mind you having an opinion but if you think id take the advice of a 10 year old kid with no life experience youd have to be kidding. :lol:

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Hey BV still think we'll beat the Pies! They are shittier! :wink:

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I dont mind you having an opinion but if you think id take the advice of a 10 year old kid with no life experience youd have to be kidding.


Im 14 and a half :-D


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Very smart everyone, lets let Collingwood have the last laugh. They would love for us to beat them........

Everyone who wants Carlton to win because of pride is selfish. It bloody pains me to barrack to lose at the moment. My heart absolutely bleeds, but I am thinking of the long term future of the club. But all this is in vain, because I am sure Denis is only thinking of his coaching record and wont think like some of us.


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dannyboy wrote:
Hey BV still think we'll beat the Pies! They are shittier! :wink:



Square up! :-D

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now if only I could brave the cold for training 8)

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Dont think the comparison of Fitzroy and Carlton is truelly appropriate in term of our our positiong prefer to think of us as more the St Kilda of the 80 's & 90's. We have a glowworm or two at the end of our tunnel with likely development of Waite, Walker, Blackwell, Carazzo and co.

Every player that you pick in a draft is a gamble on personality and body. AKA Whitehead wasnt he going places at the beginning before injury cut him down or Motley as another example of just pure bad luck. In the end though it comes down to being granted access to the best picks possible and Sydney your "QUESTION OF WHY NOT LAST YR" because we still had draft penalities to contend with this is our first year truely free of those shackles.

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