You might want to do that smarty but Lappin isnt inyterested in what you want to do...

"i would offer Lappin a 2 year deal..." get real!!!! his problem is we arent giving him a three year deal.. cos the whole point of the third year is a backloaded contract...

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Hard to not apologies to the guy whos been the best player at our club over the last 4 years.... and hasnt made the $ others have....

Dont you think???

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Well if Kouta / Campo / Whits wernt taking 33% of our salary cap then maybe Lappin would get a better deal


Geez if i where Waite Lappin or some our other up n comers i would prob say well i do more than Campo if he is earning $600K i should be getting more than what i am on

The sooner these guys are cut out of CFC the better the whole club will be and we wont have our new kids wondering how they can get paid $600k for getting easy ball receives. If 3 people at the club wernt being paid so much there would be a more even spread and we could chase elite players inot the side and get real value. And yes Lappin except for last year has been far better than Campo makes you understand if Campo got $600k for this year that was more than Lappin got paid in the last 3 years. The sooner this is rectified then players will be paid what they are worth and we will also be able to get in more elite players Luke Power or Bartel or Kerr a player who will add something to our list not someone on there last chance.

So he wants to backload his contract so most of it is when he's on the vets list in 2008 (only 50% in TPP) & won't cost us a lot next 2 years. Who will be on the vets list in 2008? Kouta? Campo? Chances are we won't have any vets by then so won't be able to take advantage of that anyway. If he ends up at another club they won't be able to put him on the vets list, only we can do that, so it will not be worth them putting him on a backloaded contract.

No one has bagged Lappin for his hard stance on the club. From what it sounds like they have agreed on a contract but the length is an issue. Carlton is a stronger position to bargain with Lappin because no other club will give him a 3 year deal. 3 years is a very selfish approach on his behalf.
Lappins excuse for wanting a 3 year deal because he is AA is a weak argument. Campo is a multiple AA player should he get more now?
Carlton should have learnt its lessons so players like lappin wouldn’t dare to ask for 3 years. We know Lappin won’t be as good as he was in 3 years time. The risk is just too high on the clubs behalf.

I can only see the club agreeing if they use Blue Marks idea in giving him an option of a 3rd year if his 2nd year is a standout!

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We "won" the wooden spoon. Do you really want someone to explain to you why coming 6th in the B&F might be possible for a player who had a poor year?

can we stop with this B&F bullshit.

we have a system that rewards players for playing the most - thats your core senior group. But it should be a 3 2 1 system that rewards players each week on a weekly basis in terms of their impact on a game. What we have rewards a player for being on the field often enough to score enough points.

It doesn't reflect best or fairest - just most - or most often.

Once upoon a time we have a consistent award for those blokes, now its our B&F. sorry but I think the whole B&F thing is a joke.

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except the free drinks.

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Unless there's free drinks, not attending next year then danny?

I'll be there - free drinks

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Free drinks? ....I paid $140 for those drinks and a average meal.

Fair enough.

On CSC it went:

1st Koutoufides
2nd Whitnall
3rd Stevens
4th Waite
5th Lappin
6th Fevola

No fluke.

Things like this look at the season as a whole, and in relation to a player's season compared with all the others who have played as opposed to myopic conclusions drawn on particualr things which have happened in solitary games.

Always an amount of personal bias, but as an example, just compare the top four players above with the actual results. On CSC, Whitnall just pipped Stevens for second.

But tell me when rewarding Kouta do you take in to account the damage his direct opponents do - or Campo's - or Lance's? I think we must as a club. One reason we got better towards the end was we had some midfielders who were accountable, amazing the difference that makes.

Plus of course a forward line that began to function.

I know Kouta gets the ball and feeds it out but as soon as we stuff up (and I'll accept not usually his fault) his man is as free as a bird, with campo's running free beside him. these two guys opponents killed us expecially that first half of the year yet Kouta was rewarded with votes - almost by default I think.

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Firstly, I had no input into the CSC votes.

Secondly, the CFC and CSC voting systems were as completely different as two voting systems can be.

Thirdly, when CSC members cast their votes they had every chance (and took well advantage of that chance) to take into account every single players' performance, and their opponents performance when deciding on how to allocate votes.

Fourthly, internet geeks take every advantage they can to rip into players, especially if they feel their opponent has done a far better job, and as such provide a completely different perspective on players' performance when casting their votes compared to the Match Committee.

In conclusion...the top four is identical, though second and third were reversed, and Lappin finished top six in both.

Once again well done Kouta for winning the B&F. Deserved to win it and DID now I wonder if those Bomber supporters are slash and burning Hird? What a %*%?#@ joke.

Hird is miles ahead of Kouta as a player and a leader scottee.. and on less $$$$$$$... but he has performed at a higher standard for alonger period too....

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verbs so what? What's your point? that you agree Kouta was the best player - good on you. I disagree.

Because I disagree I think tossing up this best 6 in the B&F is a weak argument. I sat there on the B&F night hoping someone else would win. Why because if Kouta is still our best player then we are not moving forward. Now maybe he is, still disappoints me because he is not a matchwinner, not a leader and not a decisive player on the field. None of this is his fault, leg injuries and age have diminsihed his talents, and he was never a leader of men, yet to some he is still our best player. Well while he is, we are shit.

While Lance and Campo are in our top six we are shit. I want that to change, I think trading lance and campo might help that, others feel they are our best players and must be kept. So what - thats the dance verbs, try it sometime.

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Want all you want.

My point is, two vastly different voting systems by two vastly different demographics resulted in two extraordinarily similar results.

Emotion is one thing.

Reality is another.

Who wants to be a millionaire?

yes and we have Howard as PM and I ain't happy about that one either and there are as many working class people and none working class people voting for him - so what?

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Hahaha...so the world is "bullshit" and all you got is the 3-2-1 system as an answer!