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[Answer my question are you a Member?


Let me tell you .... "If" I don't buy a membership this year (haven't yet and have made that known :roll: ), it will be because of Collo and his team not progressing the club. "If" I don't buy a membership this year, I will never, ever buy one again. Reasons are many and obvious. I am not a fair weather supporter (which you are trying to portray me as). I will stick by my word and probably support my team from FOXTEL/CO-OPERATE like the AFL and COLLO want us to do. :wink:

That my friend you can count on.


What a cop-out Surrey!

And how the Hell do you expect the Club to turn around if Membership is withheld?

Oh sorry,of course Dick Pratt et al will bail us out!

Get real!...We all have to get behind them!


It's a catch-22 but IMO 7dom is right … the lifeblood of any club, no matter how successful, is it's membership base.

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Agree the lifeblood is the members so why are we charging potential members entry into family day...do Collingwood, Essendon* etc do that?

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Preacher wrote:
I really don't know what people expect?


How about a bit of honesty and business acumen for starters Preacher.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 08046.html

caroline Wilson wrote:
By Caroline Wilson
February 21, 2006
The Age believes there is a push from sections of the board to seek AFL financial assistance, with the Blues set to announce another significant loss at next month's annual meeting.



What a coincidence that almost to the day 2 years ago, a story "appeared" in the Age threatening that we may go to the AFL to bail us out.



http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/ ... 26643.html

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February 25, 2004

Despite a turnaround in Carlton's balance sheet, Blues president Ian Collins has suggested the once-powerful club could yet seek financial help from the AFL as it tries to rebuild its dire off-field position.


If this is the best the board can come up with to move memberships, god help us.
On Thursday last week a message was sent to all corporate partners marketing the sponsorship of Denis Pagan.
The position is available to become Denis' personal sponsor.
A great initiative.

2 business days later a story is leaked to the media suggesting we are going begging to the AFL. :?
You can kiss that sponsorship goodbye.

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Early last year, all players, coaches and admin staff were called to a meeting. From memory, Malouf called it, " At Stake - the Future of the Carlton Football Club". At that meeting, he made it quite clear to all that things were on a knifes edge. He put forward a 3-4 year plan. The plan though was based on a few assumptions. One none bigger than drawing in some badly needed corporate sponsorship. If all went as planned, Malouf stated that PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS we would break even in 4 years time.


What is it preacher, a 3 year plan or a 4 year plan?
Are we looking for a break even or a profit?
According to the club in 2004, we'd reduced our debt from $10million to $1.6 million in 2 years!!
Now we cant eradicate $1.6 million :?

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=237283

Ian Collins wrote:
]Again, in 2004 the Board and the Management team engaged independent financial experts, Grant Samuel, to develop a Three Year Financial Strategy that is intended to bring the Club to a cash operating surplus by 2007.


According to Collo and Malouf last year, the club will be operating a cash surplus by 2007.
But according to you, we wont. :?
Which is it? Is the board guessing or are we as I thought using pathetic scare tactics instead of marketing nous?

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The plan though was based on a few assumptions. One none bigger than drawing in some badly needed corporate sponsorship.


Ian Collins wrote:
The Club is in its strongest position with sponsorship, for a number of years. The recent announcement that Optus has agreed to continue our 12 year association for a further 12 months is great news and will see Optus and Dan Murphy as our Joint Major Sponsors in 2006. Also importantly K&S Freighters have extended their involvement with Carlton for 2006 and Nike too has agreed to continue as one of our Corporate Partners.


Hows that for starters Preacher.
Be honest with the members and show them some respect.
I actually admire Ian Collins and will be eternally thankful for what h has done.
I'd even be happy to see him remain president but better operating decisions need to be made.
Some courage needs to be shown.
The CEO of the club should be making these decisions in conjunction with an expanded, smarter and better resourced board.

Wise people embrace change and innovation.
Fools think you can continue doing the same things and expect improvement.

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Someone made reference to the fact that donations to the club are not tax deductable. This is incorrect. Donations to the club via the Australian Sports Foundation are tax deductable. The Heroes program was run the same way. The club has already sent out information to the original "Heroes" seeking ongoing support.

Here's the link:

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=foundation


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I did notice in one of the business sections in the daily papers that Smorgon Steel is in the top 10 worst performing stocks recently. I think he'd find it hard convincing the stakeholders there to give a substantial cash donation to the club... :lol:

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Dont assume that wealthy supporters havent given to the club.
During the Elliott era, most players were "employed" by, contracting to, or "assisted" by wealthy supporters.
I have no doubt many were burnt out by the greed of the club.

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:sigh:

Are we on the verge of slipping into the non-retrievable financial position Fitzroy was in in its final years?

:sigh: :sigh:

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When the @#$%&! are we gonna be able to stand on our own two feet?!

It's really starting to @#$%&! shit me!

This is pathetic!!

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Geelong have lifted themselves into a better position courtesy of Brian Cook who was recruited especially to deal with the clubs debt and banking problems...I think they have proved you dont need a Eddie McGuire or a bunch of wealthy supporters throwing money at the club everytime..it helps..but an astute operator like Cook can also make the difference...

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Geelong have lifted themselves into a better position courtesy of Brian Cook who was recruited especially to deal with the clubs debt and banking problems...I think they have proved you dont need a Eddie McGuire or a bunch of wealthy supporters throwing money at the club everytime..it helps..but an astute operator like Cook can also make the difference...


Spot on Elwood. We had some excellent candidates to choose from when we were looking for our CEO, yet we chose a engineer and career public service administrator. Michael Malouf is a nice bloke, trying his guts out, but he has neither the experience, football club knowledge, flair or entrepenurial spirit required of a crack CEO. He is precisely the type of person you would imagine Collins and Smorgon appointing - someone in exactly their mould - staid, conservative, funerial. - But he does have a better personality than them both.

But - do not blame Malouf - this is yet another poor decision from Collins and Smorgon.


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ITS NOT COLLO ITS SAD, MISERABLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHP KEEP PUTTING THIS CLUB DOWN WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT BOARD ROOM LEVEL NO IDEA I TELL YA SO CAN ALL OF YOU SHUT UP AND BE POSITIVE


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ballistic blues wrote:
ITS NOT COLLO ITS SAD, MISERABLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHP KEEP PUTTING THIS CLUB DOWN WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT BOARD ROOM LEVEL NO IDEA I TELL YA SO CAN ALL OF YOU SHUT UP AND BE POSITIVE


I'm positive its Collo.


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ballistic blues wrote:
ITS NOT COLLO ITS SAD, MISERABLE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHP KEEP PUTTING THIS CLUB DOWN WHAT THE HELL WOULD ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT BOARD ROOM LEVEL NO IDEA I TELL YA SO CAN ALL OF YOU SHUT UP AND BE POSITIVE


Last time we shutup ,did nothing and kept positive a fellow by the name of Jack Elliot and cohorts brought the club to its knees..I think Speedy has probably made a good assesment of Collins, Smorgan and Malouf and while Colllins and Malouf in particular have their hearts in the right palce we probably need a CEO/ trouble shooter with more experience in more areas including football finance specifics..maybe we have to steal someone from a successful club or get some of the candidates Speedy was talking about to throw their hat in the ring....I think the majority of posters are about solving the problems not putting the present management down...

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We don't have to know what goes on at board room level to know we're being left behind by other clubs.
If you wanted to sponsor Collingwood you'd need to go on a waiting list. If you wanted to sponsor Carlton you'd have a room to yourself at the sponsor's dinner.

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It all starts from on field results. We have a very young side who are uncompetitive at the moment and sponsors are not gonna jump on board an uncompetitive side.

Maybe we should remind everyone we still have Pagan and then everyone will jump on board. :oops:

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It all starts from on field results. We have a very young side who are uncompetitive at the moment and sponsors are not gonna jump on board an uncompetitive side.

Maybe we should remind everyone we still have Pagan and then everyone will jump on board. :oops:


There is absolutely no doubt that on field success makes attracting sponsors and supporters easier, but a club like Carlton with its massive supporter base should be able to attract sponsors regardless of their position on the ladder. If we are relying on on field success for our sponsors and members then we really have learned nothing about how sponsorship and this game work in the modern world. We need to create sustainable benefits and sustainable sponsorships through thick and thin on field - and it can be done. Other clubs are doing it. Remember that Collingwood finished below us in 2004, and just above us in 2005. Did not hurt their finances one bit.

My concern is that by saying - there is nothing we can do about sponsorship until we perform on the field - our club is neglecting the job they are elected or paid to do. Sure it's tough, no one says it will be easy - but it can be done with the right mix of talent and determination.


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Speedy wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Geelong have lifted themselves into a better position courtesy of Brian Cook who was recruited especially to deal with the clubs debt and banking problems...I think they have proved you dont need a Eddie McGuire or a bunch of wealthy supporters throwing money at the club everytime..it helps..but an astute operator like Cook can also make the difference...


Spot on Elwood. We had some excellent candidates to choose from when we were looking for our CEO, yet we chose a engineer and career public service administrator. Michael Malouf is a nice bloke, trying his guts out, but he has neither the experience, football club knowledge, flair or entrepenurial spirit required of a crack CEO. He is precisely the type of person you would imagine Collins and Smorgon appointing - someone in exactly their mould - staid, conservative, funerial. - But he does have a better personality than them both.

But - do not blame Malouf - this is yet another poor decision from Collins and Smorgon.


Malouf was hired to help with the redevopment of OO with Government/Counsels and the move to Telstra Dome. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Geelong have lifted themselves into a better position courtesy of Brian Cook who was recruited especially to deal with the clubs debt and banking problems...I think they have proved you dont need a Eddie McGuire or a bunch of wealthy supporters throwing money at the club everytime..it helps..but an astute operator like Cook can also make the difference...


It also helps when the Premier supports your team and is able to throw taxpayers money to your club.


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Exactly. SIgn up and support your f#@king club.

Then come the next election, if you choose, vote them out.


But before you can vote you have to flop it out to see who's got the biggest. That's what I've been reading in this thread anyway.


Oh yeah, I neglected to say that. As you were...

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Speedy wrote:
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It all starts from on field results. We have a very young side who are uncompetitive at the moment and sponsors are not gonna jump on board an uncompetitive side.

Maybe we should remind everyone we still have Pagan and then everyone will jump on board. :oops:


There is absolutely no doubt that on field success makes attracting sponsors and supporters easier, but a club like Carlton with its massive supporter base should be able to attract sponsors regardless of their position on the ladder. If we are relying on on field success for our sponsors and members then we really have learned nothing about how sponsorship and this game work in the modern world. We need to create sustainable benefits and sustainable sponsorships through thick and thin on field - and it can be done. Other clubs are doing it. Remember that Collingwood finished below us in 2004, and just above us in 2005. Did not hurt their finances one bit.

My concern is that by saying - there is nothing we can do about sponsorship until we perform on the field - our club is neglecting the job they are elected or paid to do. Sure it's tough, no one says it will be easy - but it can be done with the right mix of talent and determination.


Collingwood have a coach who backs his players and the players respond by not disgracing themselves once or twice a month. They also have a president who put his club on Fiday night football every 2nd week.

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