Like a dose of salts???

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

So get them to pay him.



So 1 + 1 = 7?

Your conclusion has nothing to do with your argument. If Kouta had a profit share with the AFL then fine - pay him a percentage. Unfortunately he doesn't. He's paid by the Carlton Football Club and you're arguing that he should be paid according to the windfalls of cash he's created for his employer. Well Sydney I don't know if you might have missed it somehow but our club (his employer) is not terribly overendowed with cash at the moment and if Kouta, as you suggest is really entitled to a share of the moulah when the going's good the he can bloody well hand a little back when it's not so good. I know he's not about to do that but it doesn't change the fact that I believe that's exactly what he should do and what danny and I and many, many others would do in the same situation.



Great so now I'm a cop killer too?

When did I say everything old was bad? Gee you're good at putting words in people's mouths. I've been watching this club for over thirty years and I'm more than satisfied with the vast bulk of that history. I just happen to have a problem with some of the self-interested flowers who've represented the place due to the culture of self-interest built up over a 20 year period by one of the most self-interested flowers who ever graced the hallowed halls of self-interested-fucker-dom.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
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None of you guys would give the cash back, why should he? Kouta has a family to look after even when he retires and I don't think he'll be hosting any footy shows.
He's looking after himself just like your messiah Pagan except Kouta actually has made a contribution to the club.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

The spelling police are out today.

Like I said before GWS - Lets get rid of him then and lets see the affect it has on our membership. Lets have a great big arguement with Kouta and his manager at the end of the year . Get the miserable prick Collins to come out and say Kouta has given nothing to the club and is sucking the place dry. Lets go into trade week and offer him around like we have done with others . Lets set an example to the rest of the football community that we no longer take this shit at Carlton

Then let the members decide - How far down this year are we

Then lets see if a trade can be done

Then lets see if we can attract that big name out of contract player in the PSD.

and by the way when you make a decision to render a 20 million dollar asset worthless - Dont come crying poor mouth and blame it on the players

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Well go back to Talking Stuff and start a thread about the most amount of hotdogs you have eaten in a row.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

How can you know what others would do in the same situation Game? I think you'll find this is called projection - you project onto others your own beliefs/actions as a way of defending the less defensible parts of your personality.

The myth that an individual should be able to reitre in their early 30s because he's chased a piece of leather around the park is simply bullshit and funny at the same time. Even funnier is the fact that he'd be retiring on your money.

The only reason footballers are paid as much as they are is because they and the AFL are greedy. If they really had the best interests of the game rather than themselves at heart they'd accept a far more reasonable wage and drop the price of entry to the game for supporters or invest the difference back into community projects or even perhaps allow their clubs to get by without the need for never ending fundraisers etc.

Imagine if the salary cap was half what it currently is and there was $3.1 million per club per year - that's $49.6 million PER YEAR that would be available for the good of the game.

Guys like Kouta would have to get by on a mere $500K poor bastards but no club would ever look like going to the wall as each could have $3.1 million extra in their kitty.

On the other hand you could simply make entry to the ground free or close to it. About 3 million people went to the football last year (from memory). That's more than $16 you could refund to every man, woman and child for every game they attended. Imagine how popular football would become if you didn't have to pay to attend? The other sports wouldn't stand a chance.

Or of course you could just hand it all over to the 600 or so individuals who have been lucky enough to find themselves living out every boy's childhood fantasy.

They're some of the choices.

At the moment we stick with the greedy bastard scenario but it needn't always be the case.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

They are entertainers GWS, they are paid to entertain and they are doing a good job because thousands watch them every week. It's not Kouta's fault that people in the sporting industry are highly paid.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

The players salaries wouldn't be more than 25 % of the revenue generated through the Game.

They are not greedy sports in the USA and other countries the players demand up to 70 % of the game revenue

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

greedy - greedier

GWS is spot on. The players (kouta etc.) CHOOSE to bleed as much money as they can and then stand by and watch clubs go to the wall.

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There's so much I could say...

But luckily they've taken it easy on you.




Somehow at 33, rising 34, I don't think Koutoufides will be offered up for trade, so your point is moot.

As for whether there'll be a big argument with Koutouofides at the end of the year, I think that'll be up to Koutoufides. Like Camporeale, the club has given much, and received less in return. Would you seriously suggest the club should've acted in any other way with Scotty?

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

How about a new headline:

2ndeffort says to Kouta's Manager STOP WHINGEING!!!

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

Kouta has given Carlton fans more memories than the rest of the team combined. Bullsh!t less in return.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

When you are quoting Synbad at least have the decency to acknowledge him.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

huh??

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There's so much I could say...

I've got better memories of Bruce Doull. Perhaps he could share his cash with him?

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Will you be commenting on Pagan's coaching this week if you're not at the game?

Of course not, I didn't comment on last weeks effort either.

What does that have to do with what you quoted?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Nothing

Why do you think Deano posts in Talking Stuff?

Done.

Only because I'm a f*ckbag.

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