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Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2025 Carlton Player Contracts

Name Years Service Status
Alex Cincotta 3 Non-Free Agent
Billy Wilson 2 Non-Free Agent
Brodie Kemp 6 Non-Free Agent
Flynn Young 1 Unknown
Francis Evans 1 Unrestricted Free Agent
Harry Charleson 1 Non-Free Agent
Harry Lemmey 3 Non-Free Agent
Jack Silvagni 10 Unrestricted Free Agent
Jesse Motlop 4 Non-Free Agent
Matt Carroll 2 Unrestricted Free Agent
Mitch McGovern 7 Non-Free Agent
Nic Newman 7 Non-Free Agent
Nick Haynes 1 Unrestricted Free Agent
Orazio Fantasia 2 Unrestricted Free Agent
Rob Monahan 2 Non-Free Agent
Sam Docherty 12 Unrestricted Free Agent
Tom De Koning 8 Restricted Free Agent
Will White 1 Non-Free Agent

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Our drafting (and/or development) has been woeful since 2015.

From 2016 to 2023 (8 years) we drafted exactly 4 good players

Walsh (no brainer pick 1)
TDK
Cottrell
O Hollands

Cowan and Lord as maybes

Our trading has been way better than our drafting!

Compare that to the Cats, who would have 16 players on that list, with similar or worse draft capital.
Stewart
Ratugolea
Henry
Z Guthrie
Kelly
Miers
Clark
Atkins
SDK
Close
Holmes
Neale
Dempsey
Humphries
O'Sullivan
Mannagh

There is the reason we are shite

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Yep, we are going to be feeling the big list hole from SPS, Philp, Dow, Obrien etc for a long time.

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#DonTheStash

Plus Fisher, Setterfield, Stocker, Kemp as well as recruiting the injury prone Marchbank and overpaying for McGovern and Williams.
Depressing reading.

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Don't look at the numbers, look at the outcomes.
It has nothing to do with overrating the list. It's about complementing in an area where we are significantly deficient. Jagga was the perfect addition structurally.
Forget our second rounder because that would have been swallowed up by Harry Dean anyway so it's irrelevant. We have a second rounder to offer.
This years draft is poor in quality and 3 of the top 5 picks will be academy, and others will come between 5-10.
So we gave up pick 12 last year and our first this year in a poor draft, (which will possibly drift into the teens anyway) to get Jagga Smith. The player we rated the best in an elite draft.
We also got O'Farrell and the 2 Campo's.
So 2 picks in the teens for Jagga, I'm taking it every time. Couple that with Harry Dean this year and it perfectly addresses deficiencies.

IMHO, when we look back on the 2024/2025 draft strategy, it will be a great outcome.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Plus giving up top 10 picks for Cerra and Saad. Don’t forget those doozies


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That's the way I see it as well

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

TDK has to go... The Club must push him out even if he wants to Stay... He is not worth the money St.Kilda are offering, nor is he even worth what Carlton are offering.

We get a prized 1st rounder for him, and if we can get a decent player along with Jagga to come back next year plus the Campo Boys & an improved Lord, then we can start to rebuild a midfield that will bare fruits in 3-4 years time from now!

The Club also must remove some of its Senior players. They must force them out. Enough of the Soft approach and handing out Millions of dollars to players who can't even do the basics. This is my recommendations:

** Untouchables- must keep **

J-Sos
S.Walsh
J.Weitering
P.Cripps
G.Hewett

** Must Delist end of year **

O.Fantasia
E.Hollands ( Take your mental issues elsewhere- we have had enough)
J.Binns ( he is not going to come good- VFL player at best- Lazy as hell )
M.Pittonet ( Time to go with TDK- he does nothing anymore )
L. Young ( Average footballer- We have to go past him to move forward )
W.White ( Failed Experiment- Good player but not AFL Standards )
A.Moir ( Another Lazy player who refuses to do the basics- talanted but wants to play on his own terms- Get rid of him )
F.Evans ( Seriousely, what the hell were we thinking? )

** Must Seek to Trade out and get some value for them **

J.Motlop ( if no interest- has to delist- time is over )
Z.Williams ( Injury prone- will never come good- is he worth keeping for giving you 10 Games a year? )
M.Govern ( Same as Williams- he has to go- enough is enough )
B.Acres ( Gone backwards- Can't kick and has become Lazy )
c.Durdin ( Average player- don't think anyone else will want him )

** Future Kids of the Club- needs to give them 2-3 years to see if they come good **

L.Cowan
O.Hollands
Campo Boys
C.Lord
J.Smith
H.O'Farrell
H.Lemmy
M.Carroll
B.Wilson
J.Boyd
H.O'Keeffe
F.Young

** Untried Kids- no idea whom they are and if they are any good **

M.Duffy
R.Monahan
H.Charleson

** Senior players to Keep but Must lift and improve- One last chance **

A.Cerra
A.Saad
M.Cottrell
B.Kemp
L.Foggarty

** Trade out one of the Two **

C.Currnow
H.Mackay

Bold move but worth exploring if we can get real Value in return, Otherwise has to keep them both and see if they can stay fit

** Time to Retire **

S.Docherty

** New Additions to the team that should make us better **

J.Smith
N.Newman

You wont get anyone near the capability of TDK with the compensation in this years draft. Unless you trade another top liner and use the 2 first rounders to get an established star, it's a waste of time IMHO. Last year was the draft to go hard and we did it.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

So our List Management under Austin is going ok?
Must be the coaching department then?
Or the footy department
Or the culture
Or the board
Or the colour of the walls
Perfectly addresses our deficiencies
The trade for Kennedy resulted in us getting O’Farrell
Let’s hope the club doesn’t ruin him by playing him regularly too early
Key position players need time
Young kids need at least 2 years to settle in
From what I have seen of the Campos they have a crack but arnt quick and average kicks
That adds to our deficiencies
And don’t forget Sam Davidson was available
Another VFL player” not good enough “

Jagga Smith hopefully is as great as you and others say

Why would we trade Charlie Or Harry in this year’s trade with a weak draft there talking plus with all the academy picks

Hindsight recruiting - the Dogs have done very well.

In the 2023 draft at pick 45 the Dogs selected Joel Freijah.

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Why would you trade them full stop ? key forwards are gold and are rare as rocking horse shit . Build from the bottom up , not from the top down .

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One of things clubs have to be careful about is of is not to be swayed by the emotional connection of father sons
It’s early days
You can make a call about the Campo twins at the end of 2026
But they have average leg speed and need to improve their kicking
Both know how to get the ball but we don’t need another 2 average paced players

Davidson and Richards we could have got
Dean looks like an third tall interceptor
If there’s a better player available who can play small forward wouldn’t you pick that player

Yes, you've mentioned Davidson lots of times. Funnily enough, I don't see any mentions before he was drafted.
The king of hindsight recruiting.

You also bagged the recruiting of Haynes. He's turned out to be one of the few shining lights. The other shining light this year is Hewett who was also obtained for zero draft picks.
Nick Newman was runner up B&F last year. He cost us jack shit. Cooper Lord was mid season draft from the VFL. As was Flynn Young. They both look to have a future.
No mention there? Nah, you prefer to talk down a 17 year old kid who hasn't even been drafted yet. Not to mention the Campo's who are still 18 years old.
All class as usual Keogh.

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I can imagine the Swans going hard after Harry McKay as their 'premiership window' will probably remain open for the next couple of years - after which time Warner probably leaves as FA and age catches up with Heeney and Papley.
If they offered us their 1st and 2nd rounder for McKay would we accept? I realise this years draft is weaker/compromised however I assume there should be quality available in the top 10, and their 2nd rounder would ensure at the very least we get Dean and Ison and possibly give us a late pick to trade for some extra points next year (might help in securing Cody Walker).

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I do have a life away from watching footy I’m not getting paid to watch every VFL and Oand M match
Recruiters at the club are and if you think ( give me direct answer if you like) that’s it’s not worth having a recruiter look at these leagues and report back to the List Management team then you have rocks in your head
Richards and Davidson would of help our deficiencies
Don’t you think
A small forward who actually is quick
A winger who is quick great overhead and good disposal
The campo twins were going to be picked up a long time before draft day
No consideration for any players with those lat picks
Newman has been a great get for a fourth rounder
I have mentioned that before
As was Cooper Lord
And how many times have I mentioned picking early 20 year olds from the lower leagues for a bag of chips
Haynes has been good after a shit start but he is 33

How about I post that team of ex AFL rejects that ended up wasting spots on our list
Not to mention paying and putting up with McGovern and Wiiliams so long

Keep on sticking up for the club
So we move the ball quickly
Unfortunately it’s to nobody or 3 opposition defenders sitting on Charlie’s head
Or keep on plugging Fantasia a guy who shouldn’t be any AFL list but ends up Carlton

Face it
Compared to other clubs our recruiting has been shit
In fact I’ll go as far as to say it’s weird
It must be the colour of the walls then

Further more some you blokes go on about “ facts” or “ look at these stats” to sugarcoat
There is nothing wrong in joining the dots to to come up with something not based on facts
25 years with one preliminary final appearance when there is “ equalisation “ tells you it ain’t just crap coaching and crap recruiting
It’s the culture from the top down
Sayers deep down was a tool but hey even if you had to resign because you knew nothing about your company leaking confidential tax information doesn’t mean you can’t be Presiding over the CFC
Similar story with Priestley
Only it’s worse
He lives in Sydney
Doesn’t matter the club is in crisis again that our President spends half his life 800 km north
Doesn’t matter we give up the farm
for one kid
Because where the Carlton Football Club
That’s called arrogance and it clearly stems from the board to their employees
And after 25 years of this shit that’s a fair inference to make

I would take a first and second round pick for H.

I would trade H for the right price but not Curnow. H is mentally and physically flaky.

Something to think about - Mihocek, out of contract and will be offered a one year contract - how about we offer 2 (yes he is 32yrs old) he's smart, team player and would provide the mid size forward we desperately need. Martin couldn't do it and now it seems Elijah may not be available.

Why would he do it - 2yr contract rather than 1. If not at least make the Pies pay more than they have to.

22 Under 22, for the 2026 season:

2025 Draftee
Uncontracted

B: Charleson Harry Dean Cowan
HB: Carroll O’Farrell Wilson
C: Hollands Lord L.Camporeale
R: O’Keeffe Smith B.Camporeale
HF: Binns Jack Ison White
F: Moir Lemmey Tyson Gresham
I: Duffy Monahan Mingara Clark Gabe Stumpf

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