I think Deanos reaction to Mark Harvey gives an indication of how the hard core Blues supporter would have felt had a no name been appointed ..how many of us would have thrown money at the club if it was Harvey or Mitchell doing the coaching......I reckon it would have been another Wayne Brittain job....knives out early.. and the club in turmoil like Jarusa suggested....Denis Pagan was seen as stability and having cred.....it wasnt just all about onfield success....

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Norman was picked up 9ala Angwin0 because of our state by pagan with nothing more than hope - and proved hopeless and every other coach - not desperate - had already guessed at. Now pagan has failed?

fair dinkum game go watch reruns and stay happy. or are you just agist - your recoomendation for a new coach is age. nothing more, just age.

But

look at the hundreds of young coahces given a go - how many make it?

And then reflect back on our list, and lack of choice and lack of leverage (yes I know we had Beasy and a few other stars) and think gee could a shit listed, piss poor club afford a round robin of several coaches just cos we needed a young one? Could we risk that?

The club is stable, money is coming back, the list is improving, we won a whizz fizz and the brand is slowly returning. But hey, should have hired frawley and been [REDACTED] for several more years before anything happened.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I don't have anythinga against having a younger coach, but it must be on merit, not because it's the flavour of the month.

Mark Harvey is DEFINITELY NOT the answer.

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Ross Lyon

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

and now we have a non performing coach living off his past record that we are either to much in debt to or to afraid to sack
who are those sponsor that Pagan brought in again????

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I'm not Agist

I just don't think he has the tactical nous for the modern game. Rd 1 last year was the perfect example. After the free flowing wiz fizz cup we were playing our first fair dinkum match. Pagan had Fev all alone inside 50 with 2 defenders standing him and another on the arc ready to drop back once the ball came down. Numerous times during the match we got the ball up there only for the ball to be cleaned up by this 3 on 1 senario then rebounded. It was embarrassing how bad we looked and it had nothing to do with the players. This was a tactic gone wrong that he refused to change that day.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

That's the point though. I reckon most people here don't agree with the "non performing" bit.

Performance assessment depends entirely on the criteria by which you choose to rate the performance. If you include the following into a criteria:

- taking over a list with divisions in the playing group
- ageing stars injured & retiring shortly after taking over
- 5 round 1 or 2 draft picks removed in 3 years
- facilities and resources (eg developing, drafting, etc) that our own board admits are close to the worst in the competition

I reckon based on those criteria we couldn't have asked for much more from Pagan and that the 2004 season and Wiz Cup win have to be seen as great successes.

I think we were lucky to get Pagan. He signed on BEFORE all our dirty laundry became public knowledge. We'd have had a really hard time attracting anybody decent (including the best of the assistant coaches) had we been looking for a coach at the wrong time.

I'm not saying that Pagan has overperformed, but it's bloody hard to make a case that he's under performed...

Nah it's easy, Game and SydneyBlue do it all the time. I reckon I could do it to.

Pagan is rubbish.

Brittain is better than Pagan.

We'd be better off with Mark harvey.

See? Easy. Just need to make sure you have absolutely no basis to any of your extravagant claims.

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Come down to Melbourne Deano and watch some games live and you will be horrified at the stupidity of the way we play football.

You keep saying I provide no basis? I have given you example of the very first game last year where he perfomed dreadfully. Not my problem if you haven't seen it living where you do.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Good choice

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Take from me there is no need to watch the game live to see how bad it is at times.

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That's the single biggest fuckbag argument, throwing geography at me.

So I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm in Sydney?

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

Actually if you could see what is going on off screen you would be even more disgusted. When you see Fev being covered by 3 guys with no Blue in sight you know you have no chance of winning. When you see the entire 50 empty with Pagan attempting to play his paddok with Lance the guy supposed to be running back you really start to wonder.
Only at the end of this season did he start getting more numbers up forward.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

It is actually very valid how much games you see.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Point a. It's how many games I see

Point b. I own a @#$%&! tv

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

The TV hides heaps of stuff...that's if you want to talk tactics. I'm sure you couldn't coach your players on where to go and what to do with only a channel 9 telecast at your fingertips.

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So anyone living in melbourne isn't entitled to an opinion?

What a load of horseshit. geography is always the last bastion of someone fighbting a losing battle on this board, and it shits me to tears.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

I thought insulting was.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I'm insulted by the insinuation that because I don't live in Melbourne I don't know shit.

Come up to Sydney in September for the game and you can tell me that one to my face.

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I'm not allowed to stay up late enough to watch Footy on Channel 9

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