My view on Mick is the same as my view on Ratts, Pagan, Brittain and anyone else who assumes the coaching role.

Generally when you appoint a new coach it's because the incumbent has failed (in the view of the board). Occasionally it's because a successful coach has retired. Not often though.

The problem is if you're a newly appointed coach then by definition in most cases you're probably taking over a dysfunctional team (club) and you're probably going to need five years to sort their shit out.

The smart clubs give them five years.

The good coaches have a structural plan for that five years.

If you get a smart club and a good coach then you've got a shot at the main dance.

But if you're a supporter it's hard to hang in there for five years whilst the new coach either proves himself of not. Especially if you've been through that process multiple times in a row.

And they're hard truths for any supporter of any club taking on a new club that's gone through a period of poor performance.

Will Mick get it right?

We'll all have to wait on that.

The signs are reasonably positive that he'll at least make us a lot more competitive in the next couple of years but at this stage it's actually impossible to tell.

Those who assume they know the answer are biased at best.

Waiting is difficult.

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Just highlighting a point Mr S.

You can rank Alan Joyce above Ross lyon if you wish

Or Longmuire above Eade

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Mr S believes that Malthouse has been one the best coaches in the league over the past 2 years whilst coaching carlton, because he won 3 flags at other clubs previously. Browny points

I see that Hinkley got one injured player back on the weekend and with that inclusion was able to slaughter the tigers in the first 20 minutes of the game. several weeks ago, without that player Hinkley was struggling to beat melbourne

Yes ladies and gentlemen, we are in the presence of The Supreme Tribal world of the GREAT SYNBAD residing in the Palace of Babylon

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I wonder...at which point did Mick relinquish to the five year plan?

When he took over or 12 months later?

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io like where the club is heading. I think we are finally starting to see the signs of a team.

the improvement in players like Gibbs, Rowe, Yarren etc.. says enough for me to give mick abit more time.

Another good pre-season, another good trade period (picking of Docherty/Everitt we have done very well) and the list turn over would almost be complete. Its a vastly different side already, I look forward to seeing what the side looks like next year.

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cretylus... the clubs a basketcase.

hard to admit it but it is....

its about restructuring.. and he is.

No i believe Malthouse has the runs on the board over a few eras of footy.
Not just one era but probably through 4 or 5.

Nothing has changed.

I know one thing .... this club didnt have a balanced list... didnt have a work ethic in the list and had no leaders.

I reckon Mick has conjured up improvment in all those areas.

what we be a club that was going to be taken seriously...

I also know hes done a terrific job in having opposition players and coaches take notice.

How do i know this??? By the sheer number of players interested in crossing over to us.
And by the players own admissions that the "penny has dropped" finally....

meaning it had never been dropped before in their minds.... never..

Thats got to be an improvemrnt... or are you saying there is no improvement .. because the club finished 6th one year (but it did last year also)

You see.. youre like the people on Talking stuff... unable to grasp perspective... eager to hang off every word Tony Shaw utters... looking at raw data but unable to have the intellect or capacity to decipher what it really means....

sad really.. that we have people like u .. wanting instant success. expecting a coach to win a flag without a president .. CEO.. recruting dept.. list managaer.. board etc worth jack shyte.

ahhhh the age of entitlement and the petty mind.... two of my pet hates

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When did that occur?

Port was a basketcase in 2012 - dont you remember? No money, No players, coaches didnt want to touch the place. Only Hinkley, a washed up Eade and a desperate and pride bruised Ratten wanted the job.

the AFL boys club giggled when David Koch took over as president - an outsider.

Clearly the best president in the league at the moment (IMO)

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..I dont get it Doc

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It's not completely clear what you're trying to say.

I made a post about my expectations of a new coach and you're asking me about Mick Malthouse's expectations?

How the @#$%&! would I know what they are?

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Mick has only ever had one plan, and it commenced in 1984

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Ok cret
I'm starting to understand
You have a deep fascination with Ken.. You have his photo on your avatar and his name doodled with your favourite red lipstick lipstick.
You're now attempting to rationalise the high likelihood that ' ken' most probably will never win a flag so you're not changing what the game is about
. it's no longer about premierships it's about 'ken'...
How am I going?
Put down flag winning coaches superimpose ken over the top.
This is about ken'... Only ken...

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Cret is Barbie?!?

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a truncated barbie

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most coaches never win flags - even if in the game as long as Eade..

whats your point?

My comparison is a valid one, Performance of Hinkley and Mick since they took over their respective clubs.

You claim that Mick has out-performed Hinkley since 2012.

Its reasonable to assume Mr S that the only coaches that Mick has outperformed since taking over are James Hird and Scott Watters.

Hinkley may not win a flag, like Lyon or Buckley, or Cameron etc but he has given himself and his team a good crack at it.

Remember what Robert Walls said about Ken Hinkley as a young player on the Fitzroy list all those years ago? "Ken is the most honest young player that I have encountered in my involvement in football"

And what does Carlton lack the most Mr S?

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Cret, when you watch the Melbourne Cup, do you think that the horse leading at the first turn is going to win the race?

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I dont follow horse racing moshe(25), so I wouldnt know.

But the Melbourne Cup is a long race - insn't it.

If Mick turns it around next season and we begin to see consistency from the team and some important wins against opposition such as the Hawks, cats, swans and Freo, I will certainly be the first to compliment him and the players.

I see that the Blues haven't extended Mick's contract yet

(and as far as Hinkley and Port go, I couldnt care less what they did as a club success wise.)

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I reckon if Hinkley came to Carlton we wouldn't be any further in front of where we are. Hinkley must love that massive home ground advantage, you just couldn't measure the advantage that gives a team

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probably true - we will never know what a fresh positive coach would have done at Visy park if appointed at the end of 2012.

Incidentally, Port came down to Melbourne last year in their first final and knocked off the Pies at the MCG in front of a fanatical collingwood crowd.

Port then pushed the cats until the last few minutes in the next final - again in melbourne.

Hinkley is the reigning AFLCA coach of the year for a very good reason - RESULTS. (achieved that in his in his first year as coach - not bad.)

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