The diff between us and port comes down to how well they have recruited over the years .That is why in this year draft we have to get correct.Another thing look at the muscle on some of those players then have alook at ourplayers .

You like badges dont you. You are a badge man. Someone give C a badge please.

you should recognise excellence when you see it.

or do you prefer to celebrate the achievements of Scott Waters rather Ken Hinkley?

Gee ladies and gentlemen, a comparison between those two would be problematic wouldnt it

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Granted Port done well in two Melbourne finals. Though you could argue that the confidence gained through enormous home ground support throughout the year helped galvanize the team thus helping cultivate a winning culture.

A massive advantage over us anyway you look at it.

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You are right about the home ground advantage. Non Victorian clubs are always complaining about having to travel every second week, but fail to acknowledge the advantage they have of playing at least 10 games with a distinct home advantage. The only games we had this year that were truely home games were against Port, WCE, Adelaide and Gold Coast.

Port have also had some impressive wins in the home and away games beating the Hawks, cats, freo, pies and went down by 4 points to Sydney in Sydney.

Its not just about a home ground advantage. They are coached well and play as a team. Very basic game plan which is exciting to watch.

very impressive club since Kochie and Hinkley teamed up

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Are you smoking Ken Hinkley by any chance? ?

Wow, two homophobic posts in 10 minutes. Nice one!

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Port have a decent gameplan, the players are very fit and they've had a pretty good run with injury.
They're still a couple of rungs below the top four teams.

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No doubt they arent quite at the consistent level of the top 4, but they have managed to knock them off a few times.

They must be doing a lot of things right from top to bottom

We can learn from many teams - and Port is one of them

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I know what youre getting at and agree but have to say the Crows army were vocal at the G.

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are you aware that Hinkley has managed to get Port Adelaide into the finals two years running, and didnt need assistance from AFL house?

fairly impressive isnt it from the Kenster

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Cret are you happy that the CFC will be contributing to paying Ken's wages via the equalisation tax?

Are you content that the ace fitness bloke from Liverpool will also be paid via the tax?

Are you happy that the AFL are stupid enough to create this tax to the detriment of YOUR club?

Actually Port's turnover is about 41 million dollars per year (3 million is from the AFL, courtesy of a 3 year 9 million dollar handout given by AD in 2012.)

Carlton's turnover is about 57 million per year at the moment.

We spend about 21 million on the footy department, compared to Port's 14 million.

In every area we spend more than Port.

However Port has more members with 55,000 and wins more games.

You believe the 3 million dollars that Port gets is why they rose up the ladder?

What wage do you think Hinkley is on compared to say a malthouse or Buckley?

In any case, Port arent the only club that receives special assistance from the AFL. Kangaroos and Bulldogs - and the amazing Sydney Swans. ANd lots of perks for the expansion teams.

I tend to think that Kochie got the ship back in order off the field, and Hinkley did the same on the field.

We can learn a lot from that organisation.

(Personally I am not in favour of these selective AFL handouts - it distorts the competition, which is what the AFL wants. The AFL are a corrupt bunch of cauliflower)

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Notwithstanding how impressive the off field team has been at Port you agree that the handouts are bullshit.

We are not a strong club & we should not be contributing to their rise. They don't give a flying flower about us so flower them!

All the handouts are Bullshit

lets say Port dont get that 3 million per year for 3 years from the AFl. Thats an extra $166,666 per team if distributed equally amongst 18 teams.

The AFL's equalisation fund has been ratified by the clubs - even though Eddie complains all the time and the injustice to Collingwood, he doesnt want the equalisation program scrapped

What concerns me the most is the salary advantage given to Sydney. almost 1 million dollars. Huge advantage, just because a cup a coffee is 90 cents more expensive in Sydney than Adelaide

All in all the big teams still get the best deal in terms of fixtures, free to air coverage, merchandise, etc

I wouldnt be complaining if I were a Carlton member in this competition on the grounds of the equalisation program - we are doing ok money wise. Finances arent our problem.

You mentioned Bullshit = well thats what the players have been dishing out for many seasons now. No honesty amongst the players and probably right through the club.

And I suspect that Malthouse knows this. Hopefully he can turn it around over the next pre season, because the powers that be at the Blues havent extended his contract yet. Again the issue is Trust

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Creytus your posts are so full of excrement, they are a joke.
Malthouse is a fail because hinkley has done well. Go figure.
Carlton's playing list is equal to port Adelaide's. Go figure.
Given you admit hinkley may not win a premiership, I hope you pay malthouse equal respect if we make a preliminary.

No-one recklessly spends money like Carlton.

There are other clubs spending way more than us and not winning premierships. One didn't even make the finals.

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