Kouta re-signs for 2007

JohnM · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:46 pm

It's not about Kouta anymore.

He was a champion, but all champions reach the end. What a pity for him, his club and his club's supporters that he can't go out with a little dignity, instead choosing to set his attack-dog Allison onto the club with sensationalist backpage headlines.

At a time when the club is down in almost every respect and trying desperately to rise, this is very poor behaviour. But because Kouta never says these things himself, instead letting Allison be his mouthpiece, he comes out of it as a cleanskin in the media.

$200,000 - $300,000 is still a lot of money in the real world - the real world that Kouta's going to be joining very soon. What a pity he finds a salary greater than the Prime Minister's so insultingly low.

Personally I don't think he should bother to play on for 250k. All it says is that he's now a bit-part player who's well past his best. Which is true, but not how he should leave the game.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

TruBlueBrad wrote:

bluechucky wrote:

Rudy wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Who do you think you are with your rolling eyes emoticon??? How does your opinion hold more credence than that of others??

I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton icon.

Why doesn't he take a leaf out of Buckley's or Hird's book, proper clubmen who still contribute significantly both on and off field. How does our captain feel hard done by when an offer of $200,000 is put before him?? He's greedy!!!

What example does he set the younger players when he fails to raise a gallop in a chase? The bloke rarely raises a sweat and he feels that he has more of the same to contribute next year. No thanks, he can miss off. You can remain sentimental as much as you like.

If the bloke was such an influence on the field then we wouldn't be 10 wins from 100. Same goes with Whitnall and you can even through in Stevens to the mix. We successfully removed camporeale last year, time to remove these two also.

I agree with Rudy actually (with the exception of Whitnall, I think he has a bit to give the club) but Kouta has been paid on reputation and not output, so for mine, he can accept the 200K or not.

He definately deserves a testimonial as Agro mentioned.

chucky, I think you should specify which parts you agree with...unless you do think our Captain is a disgrace :shock:

I agree Kouta should accept the $200k or walk away, but labelling him a disgrace and saying he's driving this negotiation and not Allison is where Rudy's argument falls away.

I think it's disgraceful that he employs Allison.
I think it's disgraceful (if it's true) that he is insulted by the offer.

I think for a guy, while having played 2-3 years of outstanding football, does not, and did not deserve the pay packet he got.

I think that Kouta seems to be a nice guy, and I sincerly wish him the best.

His impact is minimal, but no, I would not call Kouta a disgrace.

I'm happy for him to retire gracefully at the end of the year.

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:51 pm

verbs wrote:

Seriously, it's highly irrelevant. Until Koutoufides decides if he wants to play on or not, everything else is hot air, speculation, and (for the most part) out and out lies.

I love hot air

verbs · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:54 pm

Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:

verbs wrote:

Seriously, it's highly irrelevant. Until Koutoufides decides if he wants to play on or not, everything else is hot air, speculation, and (for the most part) out and out lies.

I love hot air

Try living in Queensland.

No1Blue · **Joined:** Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:29 pm **Posts:** 2712

bluechucky wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

bluechucky wrote:

Rudy wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Who do you think you are with your rolling eyes emoticon??? How does your opinion hold more credence than that of others??

I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton icon.

Why doesn't he take a leaf out of Buckley's or Hird's book, proper clubmen who still contribute significantly both on and off field. How does our captain feel hard done by when an offer of $200,000 is put before him?? He's greedy!!!

What example does he set the younger players when he fails to raise a gallop in a chase? The bloke rarely raises a sweat and he feels that he has more of the same to contribute next year. No thanks, he can miss off. You can remain sentimental as much as you like.

If the bloke was such an influence on the field then we wouldn't be 10 wins from 100. Same goes with Whitnall and you can even through in Stevens to the mix. We successfully removed camporeale last year, time to remove these two also.

I agree with Rudy actually (with the exception of Whitnall, I think he has a bit to give the club) but Kouta has been paid on reputation and not output, so for mine, he can accept the 200K or not.

He definately deserves a testimonial as Agro mentioned.

chucky, I think you should specify which parts you agree with...unless you do think our Captain is a disgrace :shock:

I agree Kouta should accept the $200k or walk away, but labelling him a disgrace and saying he's driving this negotiation and not Allison is where Rudy's argument falls away.

I'm happy for him to retire gracefully at the end of the year.

Well Kouta is playing on next year so he will be retiring gracefully next year...

And hopefully will retire contented that the club is on the right track...

Sorry to disappoint everyone but GET OVER IT!

KOUTA IS PLAYING ON NEXT YEAR!.....

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:07 pm

No1Blue wrote:

Well Kouta is playing on next year so he will be retiring gracefully next year...

And hopefully will retire contented that the club is on the right track...

Sorry to disappoint everyone but GET OVER IT!

KOUTA IS PLAYING ON NEXT YEAR!.....

Do you know this for a fact or are you simply in denial? :wink:

slow_mo · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:10 pm

GWS wrote:

slow_mo wrote:

GWS, does David Allison have any other players on his books? (at Carlton or otherwise)

I believe Hamill still is and Campo(?).

That's about it I think.

Hmm, I thought as much. His attempts to throw his weight around about Kouta's contract is probably an act of desperation more than anything else.

You would suspect that Hamill and Campo are on their last contracts, so he's probably seeing Kouta's contract as his last real opportunity to make some cash.

What a revolting man he is.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:19 pm

No1Blue wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

Shit has hit the fan over Kouta. The board has offered him about $200,000 to play next year. Just a lazy $900,000 paycut! He and Allison spewing. Kouta WANTS TO PLAY ON but not for what the club is offering. Allison says Kouta will retire if the club doesn't increase the offer. Expect this in the papers tomorrow.

Excuse me everyone but where is the evidence in this???

You could well be telling the truth but if thats the case I think Kouta is entitled to be peeved at 200k...

The question of where is the evidence was a joke right?

Just in case it wasn't.

No1Blue · **Joined:** Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:29 pm **Posts:** 2712

camelboy wrote:

No1Blue wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

Shit has hit the fan over Kouta. The board has offered him about $200,000 to play next year. Just a lazy $900,000 paycut! He and Allison spewing. Kouta WANTS TO PLAY ON but not for what the club is offering. Allison says Kouta will retire if the club doesn't increase the offer. Expect this in the papers tomorrow.

Excuse me everyone but where is the evidence in this???

You could well be telling the truth but if thats the case I think Kouta is entitled to be peeved at 200k...

The question of where is the evidence was a joke right?

Just in case it wasn't.

Yeh, ill give you this one mate...

I hadnt heard about this in the news when i first made the comments...

So that one was my bad....

:oops:

gsker1 · **Joined:** Tue May 10, 2005 11:00 am **Posts:** 449

I want Kouta to play on, but he is not going to get the sort of money that wanker Alison is going on about.

I hope they come to some sort of agreement

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:34 pm

gsker1 wrote:

I want Kouta to play on, but he is not going to get the sort of money that wanker Alison is going on about.

I hope they come to some sort of agreement

I dont want this to sound like a Kouta bash, but why do you want Kouta to play on?

A. Performance / adds to the current team?
B. Mentor for current kids coming through (as per the Jim Wilson article)?
C. You feel better seeing him out there
D. It would be a shame for a Carlton Champion to finish up this way?
E. Inspirational leadership?

Any other reason? See, to me, C and D are irrelevant, A is arguable, E is false as he doesn't provide it and B he can do from the sidelines. I just dont get why we want a 34 year old to keep playing given where we are on the ladder and in our development.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:46 pm

The Herald Sun wrote:

A bewildered Koutoufides has sought counsel from former president John Elliott and long-time manager David Allison.

Hi, John?

Anthony here...

Koutoufides...

Kouta... you know the bloke with the big 43.

No that's Swan - he's got 4 premierships. I've only got the one but you paid me about 50 times a year what you paid him.

Yeh - that Kouta.

Um...John...just wondering if you can help me.

Thanks.

This new administration doesn't seem to understand the rules about signing contracts. They seem to think they hold the whip hand but as you and I both know that's just not true.

Thanks...I'd be really grateful.

What I want to know is how do I get them to bend over and cave in like you did all those years ago?

JackWorrall · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:49 pm

That's drivel GWS. There are words of three syllables or more in there.

Dukes · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:51 pm

Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:

gsker1 wrote:

I want Kouta to play on, but he is not going to get the sort of money that wanker Alison is going on about.

I hope they come to some sort of agreement

I dont want this to sound like a Kouta bash, but why do you want Kouta to play on?

A. Performance / adds to the current team?
B. Mentor for current kids coming through (as per the Jim Wilson article)?
C. You feel better seeing him out there
D. It would be a shame for a Carlton Champion to finish up this way?
E. Inspirational leadership?

Any other reason? See, to me, C and D are irrelevant, A is arguable, E is false as he doesn't provide it and B he can do from the sidelines. I just dont get why we want a 34 year old to keep playing given where we are on the ladder and in our development.

Get off the funny stuff and for once judge a senior player with a modicum of respect and fair consideration for his contribution to this club.

A. He is in our best 18. He has a mature body which our other midfielders lack and we simply don't have enough quality mids next year to be competitive. His marking has improved in recent weeks and he can be a valuable part of rotations in 2007.

B. Definite mentor role to play - our last remaining premiership player and captain of the club. We have a thin experienced senior group as it is.

C & D. Irrelevant to the argument of is Kouta worth keeping an dhow much we should pay him. If the match committee deems him to be a required palyer then I'll accept that.

E. No other player in our side commands such respect for his past performances. We don't have any other clear leaders waiting in the wings to take over.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4629

No1Blue wrote:

camelboy wrote:

No1Blue wrote:

kennyhunter wrote:

Shit has hit the fan over Kouta. The board has offered him about $200,000 to play next year. Just a lazy $900,000 paycut! He and Allison spewing. Kouta WANTS TO PLAY ON but not for what the club is offering. Allison says Kouta will retire if the club doesn't increase the offer. Expect this in the papers tomorrow.

Excuse me everyone but where is the evidence in this???

You could well be telling the truth but if thats the case I think Kouta is entitled to be peeved at 200k...

The question of where is the evidence was a joke right?

Just in case it wasn't.

Yeh, ill give you this one mate...

I hadnt heard about this in the news when i first made the comments...

So that one was my bad....

:oops:

Don't feel peeved...Kouta doesn't say heWANTS TO PLAY ON but not for what the club is offering...sorry

Quote:

"I love the Carlton Football Club and want to play on next year, but I'm not prepared to talk about anything to do with contract negotiations," Koutoufides said.

Seems vastly different to "I want to play but not for that money."

But hey
enjoy the ride guys...

TheGame · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:53 pm

He should just retire. Same with Hird, same with Voss. They're all stars with broken bodies with nothing left to prove. They could all get jobs in the media tomorrow so there isn't any need for them to cripple themselves.

strangeblue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:53 pm

GWS wrote:

The Herald Sun wrote:

A bewildered Koutoufides has sought counsel from former president John Elliott and long-time manager David Allison.

Hi, John?

Anthony here...

Koutoufides...

Kouta... you know the bloke with the big 43.

No that's Swan - he's got 4 premierships. I've only got the one but you paid me about 50 times a year what you paid him.

Yeh - that Kouta.

Um...John...just wondering if you can help me.

Thanks.

This new administration doesn't seem to understand the rules about signing contracts. They seem to think they hold the whip hand but as you and I both know that's just not true.

Thanks...I'd be really grateful.

What I want to know is how do I get them to bend over and cave in like you did all those years ago?

"By the way Kouta, whatever you sign for, could you possibly slip me a twenty every now and then, I'm a bit skint. And I seem to be having trouble getting a seat on a board at the moment, appears no-one wants me to run their company into the ground these days..."

strangeblue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:56 pm

The press release from the club is probably one of the better things the current administration have done. Wonder who wrote it, Fitzy or Wells...?

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

GWS wrote:

slow_mo wrote:

GWS, does David Allison have any other players on his books? (at Carlton or otherwise)

I believe Hamill still is and Campo(?).

That's about it I think.

He has never looked after Campo. I am surprised you did not know or were not to sure considering you a given us the intimate details into Kouta's contract negotiations 5 years ago.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:02 pm

woof wrote:

GWS wrote:

slow_mo wrote:

GWS, does David Allison have any other players on his books? (at Carlton or otherwise)

I believe Hamill still is and Campo(?).

That's about it I think.

He has never looked after Campo. I am surprised you did not know or were not to sure considering you a given us the intimate details into Kouta's contract negotiations 5 years ago.

I said I didn't know about Campo. Maybe you didn't notice the question mark?

The details of Kouta's "negotiating" were given to me direct by a former board member who was involved in the negotiations.

Kouta re-signs for 2007

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