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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:35 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
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rhino27 wrote:
This is what I'd like to see happen:

Uncontracted List

Jack Silvagni - 2 years
Paddy Dow - doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, he'll either get delisted or a Setterfield type trade (half pack of stale chips)
Lachie Fogarty - 1 year but would consider 2
Mitch McGovern - 1 year on reduced money with triggers for a 2nd year
Tom De Koning - ideally 2 years but acknowledge we may need to offer longer term and on what he shown recently not opposed to that
Lachie Plowman - delist
Caleb Marchbank - delist but consider for rookie spot if he can get through remainder of year unscated
David Cuningham - 1 year with triggers for a second
Sam Philp - delist, possibly rookie
Ed Curnow - retire like to see him captain our VFL team
Josh Honey - delist (sorry bondi)
Sam Durdin - keep for 1 year purely because we lack depth in KPD area


:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm not precious.

Interesting how all of the sudden the bloke who cant kick 35m and was No 1 to be delisted is now a 2 year proposition.
Funny how things change on a week to week basis.

I'd keep Honey over Fogarty, and am quite respectful what Fog brings to the table, but imo he isn't the panacea of form shown by the team of late: I'd give more cudos to the fact he's more experienced, more developed and stronger than the baby midgets we had in there Motlop, Durdin & Fisher, and the return of injury prone Martin and Cuningham turnied that HF line into a winning line. Owies pressure has been great since his return too.

Both Honey and Fog have shortfalls, but the upside is what I'd be investing in.


You are right in that regard. Things can change quickly and it is a brutal business. One minute you can't get a look in, next you're flavour of the month and vice versa. If it does come down to a choice between Fog and Honey I doubt that'll have a major affect on us long term

Anyway, at end of the day none of us have any input in the decision making here. Austin and his team will make the calls so up to them and then whether the players accept any contracts put to them or choose to explore other options.


I agree. I have faith in Austin and Voss. And Fog has been the tackling machine we hoped for. Maybe the current way we are playing would suit a few of our small forwards. I'm happy with just one, maybe two if they set the world on fire: Cyril & Puopolo/Betts & Garlett. Austin has invested in our smalls but they are still young and undeveloped: maybe one more preseason. We've got another 6 games to watch them grow, or earn a contract.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:37 pm 
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Stephen Silvagni

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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
This is what I'd like to see happen:

Uncontracted List

Jack Silvagni - 2 years
Paddy Dow - doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, he'll either get delisted or a Setterfield type trade (half pack of stale chips)
Lachie Fogarty - 1 year but would consider 2
Mitch McGovern - 1 year on reduced money with triggers for a 2nd year
Tom De Koning - ideally 2 years but acknowledge we may need to offer longer term and on what he shown recently not opposed to that
Lachie Plowman - delist
Caleb Marchbank - delist but consider for rookie spot if he can get through remainder of year unscated
David Cuningham - 1 year with triggers for a second
Sam Philp - delist, possibly rookie
Ed Curnow - retire like to see him captain our VFL team
Josh Honey - delist (sorry bondi)
Sam Durdin - keep for 1 year purely because we lack depth in KPD area


:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm not precious.

Interesting how all of the sudden the bloke who cant kick 35m and was No 1 to be delisted is now a 2 year proposition.
Funny how things change on a week to week basis.

I'd keep Honey over Fogarty, and am quite respectful what Fog brings to the table, but imo he isn't the panacea of form shown by the team of late: I'd give more cudos to the fact he's more experienced, more developed and stronger than the baby midgets we had in there Motlop, Durdin & Fisher, and the return of injury prone Martin and Cuningham turnied that HF line into a winning line. Owies pressure has been great since his return too.

Both Honey and Fog have shortfalls, but the upside is what I'd be investing in.

Fogarty has never had any trouble finding the ball. I also thought his goose was cooked, simply because he couldn’t get past the younger blokes that were going pretty poor. Even still, he’s a year-to-year proposition.

Honey, on the other hand, still looks confused as to whether left comes after right or if he’s missing a step. As bad as we’ve been on the development side, I don’t think it’s them.


I can't argue with that.
Let the boys play, and see what they've got.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:19 pm 
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Caleb Marchbank. (Delist)
David Cuningham (One Year)
Ed Curnow. (Retire)
Jack Silvagni. (2-3 Years)
Josh Honey. (Delist)
Lachie Fogarty. (One year?)
Lachie Plowman (Delist)
Mitch McGovern. (One year or trade for right deal)
Sam Durdin. (depend if we can replace as we need KPD)
Sam Philp (Delist)
Paddy Dow. (I'd keep but they will delist)
Tom DeKoning. (2 years or trade for First round pick)

*Zac Fisher is contracted until 2024 but strong talk is he is heading home to WA


I still believe we need genuine depth to be a Premiership team.

We need some more mids along with another KPP or 2 and a Ruck if TDK leaves

Talk is we are after Gresham as a fwd sometime mid who is a FA
James Jordan is a FA I’d look at
Sam Flanders from GCS wants to come back to Vic and they need picks/points for a group of academy players that are coming in this year. He would be perfect for us

Is there more cheap options like Acres we can add?

We will also have a pick around 12-18 and need another 2 or 3

Also need Hollands Binns Cowan Lemmey O’Keefe Carroll Boyd Williams Mirkov Durdin Motlop to step up and improve next year


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:06 am 
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They would be crazy to get rid of Dow. He may not be first choice mid, but we need depth. We will always have injuries. This weekend we had Cripps, Cerra and Kennedy out and Walsh go down early. If we didn't have Hewitt and Dow what would we do?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:51 am 
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Who would’ve thought that Cuningham, Silvagni & even Plowman’s status as restricted free agents would be a factor this year…

All three would be mad to sign a deal before giving the market a chance to set a price.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:42 pm 
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malbi wrote:
They would be crazy to get rid of Dow. He may not be first choice mid, but we need depth. We will always have injuries. This weekend we had Cripps, Cerra and Kennedy out and Walsh go down early. If we didn't have Hewitt and Dow what would we do?

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Might not be up to us... he may wish to find another club so he plays firsts every week

North, Eagles, maybe even Hawks would suit him

I agree he is great for our depth.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:45 pm 
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hutch made a good point about trading Harry this off season. gets paid a million to play the exact focal point role as charlie, but isn't as good as charlie.

clear a million off the books, and get player and picks the other way similar to the Jez cameron deal, maybe more.


i'd do it. get a budget priced second banana (like mihocek) get an a-grade small forward and use the cash to keep more important pieces at the club - tdk, the future deals for cerra, and others. investing so much cap $$ into charlie and mckay probably isn't good business - spread it round etc etc


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:07 pm 
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I reckon Sydney would be prepared to pay up to make it happen. Gotta have another marquee forward once Bud retires

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:25 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
hutch made a good point

No he didn’t.

Shiny blob of melted ice cream looking f-ing bin dipper.

Guarantee you, he’s got 200 tonnes of empty diet Pepsi max cans stashed somewhere, just waiting to be fed into the recycling scheme for 10c a piece.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:26 pm 
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i said it weeks a go trade Harry ( give us wat we want ) and play TDK full forward and Austin go find a ruckmen


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:30 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
i said it weeks a go trade Harry ( give us wat we want ) and play TDK full forward and Austin go find a ruckmen

Repeating it doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:58 pm 
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i said it weeks a go trade Harry ( give us wat we want ) and play TDK full forward and Austin go find a ruckmen


Harry is an all Australian Coleman medal winning forward.

TDK has barely shown anything as a forward.

TDK is one of the most highly rated up and coming ruckmen in the game.

While we’re at it, why don’t we trade Weiters, play Cripps full back, and Austin go find an inside midfielder


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:04 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
jpulice1969 wrote:
i said it weeks a go trade Harry ( give us wat we want ) and play TDK full forward and Austin go find a ruckmen


Harry is an all Australian Coleman medal winning forward.

TDK has barely shown anything as a forward.

TDK is one of the most highly rated up and coming ruckmen in the game.

While we’re at it, why don’t we trade Weiters, play Cripps full back, and Austin go find an inside midfielder


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Harry is ours and with him we will win a flag hopefully with TDK in the ruck, and we find ourselves a Fwd Ruck I better than SOS if we can. SOS had hit career best form recently, but he usually plays well when his spot in the seniors is under threat.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:54 pm 
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i think we play worse with harry and charlie attempting to do the same thing, and we're paying close to 2 mil of cap for the privilege

sell high, cash in, keep tdk, buy a quality small forward and maybe another key tall defender & look forward to 3 or 4 or even 5 quality draft picks to top the list up over the next 3 years.


if we could get that kinda deal back our way, i'll drive harry to the airport.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:20 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
i think we play worse with harry and charlie attempting to do the same thing, and we're paying close to 2 mil of cap for the privilege

sell high, cash in, keep tdk, buy a quality small forward and maybe another key tall defender & look forward to 3 or 4 or even 5 quality draft picks to top the list up over the next 3 years.


if we could get that kinda deal back our way, i'll drive harry to the airport.

Again, repeating it doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:12 pm 
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Ridiculous thought to even contemplate trading someone that gives us such an advantage. Opposition clubs are spending hours every week trying to minimise McKay and Curnow and we haven't even hit our peak as a team yet. Get a grip all - we have a huge advantage with these 2, so unless we are completely clueless, why would we throw that away?

Just want to add - I hope Charlie keeps kicking on without McKay but with better opposition and double/triple teaming, I feel we will realise just how important Macca is over the next 3 to 4 weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:28 pm 
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Ridiculous thought to even contemplate trading someone that gives us such an advantage. Opposition clubs are spending hours every week trying to minimise McKay and Curnow and we haven't even hit our peak as a team yet. Get a grip all - we have a huge advantage with these 2, so unless we are completely clueless, why would we throw that away?

Just want to add - I hope Charlie keeps kicking on without McKay but with better opposition and double/triple teaming, I feel we will realise just how important Macca is over the next 3 to 4 weeks.


100 percent Suzz . We are the envy of the competition having Harry and Charles . Lunacy to even contemplate a trade .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:15 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Ridiculous thought to even contemplate trading someone that gives us such an advantage. Opposition clubs are spending hours every week trying to minimise McKay and Curnow and we haven't even hit our peak as a team yet. Get a grip all - we have a huge advantage with these 2, so unless we are completely clueless, why would we throw that away?

Just want to add - I hope Charlie keeps kicking on without McKay but with better opposition and double/triple teaming, I feel we will realise just how important Macca is over the next 3 to 4 weeks.


100 percent Suzz . We are the envy of the competition having Harry and Charles . Lunacy to even contemplate a trade .


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:52 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Ridiculous thought to even contemplate trading someone that gives us such an advantage. Opposition clubs are spending hours every week trying to minimise McKay and Curnow and we haven't even hit our peak as a team yet. Get a grip all - we have a huge advantage with these 2, so unless we are completely clueless, why would we throw that away?

Just want to add - I hope Charlie keeps kicking on without McKay but with better opposition and double/triple teaming, I feel we will realise just how important Macca is over the next 3 to 4 weeks.
Hear, hear!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:04 pm 
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Harry and Charlie at full flight. Mmmmmmmm mmmmmmm
Dangerous combo.

What are the Harry trade possie talking about.

A Coleman medalist, a marking beast. For a draft pick or two.

No thanks.

You want all the good opposition double teaming Charlie ? No thanks

Harry and Charlie are the envy of all clubs.

Not gonna happen.


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