The tigers are arguably the form side of the past year. This year they have disposed of freo, sydney and now the hawks., their 9 straight wins in the back half of 2014 to reach the finals. Results suggest that their list is pretty good.

You seem to be trying to say something, slow down and finish your sentence.

I would do that.
Why would we give them Yarran and help them improve?
I just don't get why we would give up good players for draft picks that might be complete duds.

We can turn this around but it will take time and calculated risks.

We are at the bottom of the barrel and if we trade out Yarran and Hendo to gain some skinny kids we will hit rock bottom next year. We will lose the strong bodies of Carrazzo and Ellard.

We need to clear the decks of the average and pea hearted.

What that means is an influx of young talent who will take time to develop. We will front end our contracted players like Murphy Gibbs Kreuzer, Thomas, even lock away Cripps, Docherty....the good ones ...to meet our salary cap obligations and plan to have room to buy elite talent to add to the youth we will draft over the next 3 years.

It's a game of patience we have to play, but we can get there.

What concerns me is what our attendances and TV ratings will be like over the next 3 years of rebuilding given how much they have dropped off since the WCE game. We are going to lose a lot of money. Will the AFL pitch in?

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We can turn this around but it will take time and calculated risks.

We are at the bottom of the barrel and if we trade out Yarran and Hendo to gain some skinny kids we will hit rock bottom next year. We will lose the strong bodies of Carrazzo and Ellard.

We need to clear the decks of the average and pea hearted.

What that means is an influx of young talent who will take time to develop. We will front end our contracted players like Murphy Gibbs Kreuzer, Thomas, even lock away Cripps, Docherty....the good ones ...to meet our salary cap obligations and plan to have room to buy elite talent to add to the youth we will draft over the next 3 years.

It's a game of patience we have to play, but we can get there.

What concerns me is what our attendances and TV ratings will be like over the next 3 years of rebuilding given how much they have dropped off since the WCE game. We are going to lose a lot of money. Will the AFL pitch in?

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Never coming back from this...

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Need to get the coach sorted ASAP, as in well before trade period so he gets a chance to sit down with the likes of Yarran and see if there's mutual interest in committing to each other.

A fit, firing and committed Yarran is worth more then pick 14 in any draft. I'd rather give us every chance of seeing if he can be that for us prior to trading him. He is under contract next year, so there's no obligation to move him.

Hendo seems irretrievable, which I find extremely disappointing. A good person and player. Can't see how moving him helps with anything to be honest.

In SOS we trust, but I think that's a really poor decision.

Close down the Club! Why? The Great All Knowing Pirate says so!

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nobody said anything about closing down the club...
The Eddie the eagle types have always been around...

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Judd (retired)
Carrazzo (retired)
Watson (delisted)
Warnock (delisted)
Henderson (trade)
Ellard (delisted)

Seem pretty much certain (on top of Johnson, Russell and maybe Gowers not retained).

6 spots taken by pick 2, Silvagni, Rice, possibly Carlisle, Wood and probably one of the Irish boys' rookie promotion.

From there, it's probably one more delisting at a minimum (in - whatever pick we get for Henderson). Take your pick of delisting Giles/re-rookie, choosing not to renew one of Armfield, White, Holman or Curnow, or trading Yarran or Menzel/letting Kreuzer walk in free agency (which in turn probably creates a need for a second delisting given the quality of the pick in return). Anything else seems unlikely given our financial situation and the need to pay out a contract early.

Doubt there's much out there on the trade table that significantly improves the list quality/state of TPP beyond not renewing one of the 4 above either.

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You'll get there soon enough.

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I agree. It can be turned around and turned around quickly.

List wise there is a base to work with. Cripps Docherty Buckley Gibbs Kruezer Murphy Boekhurst Jaksch Bell Holman Tuohy DVR give us a solid base. Add a couple of first rounders this year and we start to move in the right direction.

The issue for me now is the club as a whole. There is a major cultural issue that needs to change and it can only be done by clearing the decks of a lot of people and bringing in better and more capable people. SOS is a good start but a lot more needs to happen at all levels. My major concern is once again we will go part way to change but not really do what is necessary.

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I don't mind Holman. For someone who is currently cutting his teeth as a tagger he appears to have some nice pace to him and can hit a target.

You assume Yazz will stay ?

Mentioned Holman as those are the 4 out of contract (outside of Bell).

I assume the club keep him (i.e. he goes only if he requests to) on the basis that a) could still get more for him as a compo pick in a better draft next year, and b) I doubt what we get in return improves the list - no point getting a similar player for him if we're that far off contending, whilst we probably delist Armfield a year early as a result as well - when I think he's probably as good a 38th player on your list as you'll get. Yarran deserves the 2016 purgatory just the same.

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I still think that we should be trying to get a decent pick for Warnock.
I know he's a TC whipping boy, but he's a serviceable ruckman with almost elite height, he is at least worth a pick in the top of the 3rd round... which, with a decent recruitment department, is worth something.

Under the scenario I've just given you, it'd be a pick used on of the two father/sons anyway, despite how unlikely it is anyone would part with anything for Warnock after the last 3 years of trying with no luck. Only difference between delisting him and taking whatever for him, is in the hope that "whatever" is slightly higher than what we'd otherwise have to bid on for Silvagni, and we save a few points on our picks for next year.

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well we've got the best in the business so I feel better already.................

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I have the same fears.
Player retention is a big issue now and I think we at the point of no return sadly.

Not sure Kezza. Listen to all the definitive rumours going around at the moment. Our side next year will look like this:

B: Byrne Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Carlisle Sheehan

Foll: Kruezer Cripps Aish
C: Boekhurst Murphy Gibbs

HF: Bell Jaksch Tuohy
F: Casboult Dixon Lamb

Int: Rice Silvagni Simpson Graham Buckley Menzel Thomas DVR Smith


Not a bad side really!

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