Kouta re-signs for 2007

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

GWS wrote:

woof wrote:

GWS wrote:

slow_mo wrote:

GWS, does David Allison have any other players on his books? (at Carlton or otherwise)

I believe Hamill still is and Campo(?).

That's about it I think.

He has never looked after Campo. I am surprised you did not know or were not to sure considering you a given us the intimate details into Kouta's contract negotiations 5 years ago.

I said I didn't know about Campo. Maybe you didn't notice the question mark?

The details of Kouta's "negotiating" were given to me direct by a former board member who was involved in the negotiations.

As I stated above I am surprised you were not too sure.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:09 pm

It was a conversation about Koutoufides a couple of years ago. It had nothing to do with Camporeale.

Funnily enough I don't keep a list of who's manager to whom. You might like to ask Jarusa for that. :wink:

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:21 pm

Dukes wrote:

Get off the funny stuff and for once judge a senior player with a modicum of respect and fair consideration for his contribution to this club.

A. He is in our best 18. He has a mature body which our other midfielders lack and we simply don't have enough quality mids next year to be competitive. His marking has improved in recent weeks and he can be a valuable part of rotations in 2007.

B. Definite mentor role to play - our last remaining premiership player and captain of the club. We have a thin experienced senior group as it is.

C & D. Irrelevant to the argument of is Kouta worth keeping an dhow much we should pay him. If the match committee deems him to be a required palyer then I'll accept that.

E. No other player in our side commands such respect for his past performances. We don't have any other clear leaders waiting in the wings to take over.

Get off the insults buddy, no need for that. It was a serious question and you've answered it from your point of view. Anything more is a waste of time.

So your answer is A, B AND E. Although I doubt being a premiership player inspires anyone or anything, you feel as though he still contributes to the group at large plus on the field. On watching him this year I dont agree with A but can see what you mean about leadership. I just dont know how we can quantify that?

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:11 pm

Kouta should retire and we have to move on as a club..

He has nothing left to offer a modern day football list.

someone called him a leader... he aint a leader .. he is however the kind of guy any parent would want his daughter to marry.. and he used to be one of the greatest footballers .

But that has nothing to do with where were at and where he is at today.

steve · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:16 pm

Yep, would prefer to draft another kid, either through the main draft or as a rookie if we elevate Jackson, Flint or Smith (or a combination).

Great servant of the club who I'll always remember fondly, but he should retire as Captain and leave another space for some young blood, especially in a strong draft.

TheBluesMuse · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm **Posts:** 5270

From his point of view it is a bit insulting but I don't think the club is in any situation to be financially rewarding a player who is past it...they simply need to look to the future.

It's one of those situations, I'd love him to just think about the big picture and pull the boots on for the amount offered but if he is hurt or insulted by this it will cloud his judgement.....

How much would he make if he were to jump straight into a media career....any idea? In all honestly if my body were shot and it took injections and 200% effort to get up for a game and a media job was on the offering for just as much if not more than $200k I'd choose the media...

I'm only speculating ...

We'll see I spose.....

7dominator · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:31 pm

Not sure how many saw Kouta's interview on "White line Fever" but in my opinion he provided a very fair,balanced and reasonable response to all questions and diplomatic in the process.

When questioned he gave himself as a 50/50 chance of playing on next year.

I got the feeling he was embarrassed about his manager.

Interestingly Liam Pickering stuck the knife in Allison about his habit of taking issues to the press.

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6460

The bottom line in all of this is.Should Kouta retire.The answer is yes.!00% yes.You can argue some things most things actually but this one is a one way issue.

kouta doesnt add anything to the list next year.
He has been protected this year by playing up deep in the forward line.where in the main he has been ordinary.
He is a liability in the middle and doesnt put in the second and third efforts because his body is [REDACTED]

How on earth can any moron say that Kouta's presence on the field will aid the benefit of our youngsters. in 2007.I would have thought it would have a negative impact of Kouta taking the place of a youngster.

Kouta should of played at CHB this year to earn his stripes as we lack strength and height but he wasnt because he would of got slaughtered and convinced the remaining Kouta faithful that his time is up.

At the end of the day we all have a used by date in everything we do.Kouta's time as an AFL player is up.Unfortunately he is one of the many players who dont want to believe it.Consequently they put their own selfish needs first before the club they love.

When was Kouta's best game this year.When he came back from injury.His body was fresh and he played well.He has been just ok since.Old players become a liabilty because they cant come up week after week.Look at Hird's last 2 weeks.Stars against Lions.Is shit against the swans because his body is packing it in.Should give it away as well.

Its sad to me that players cant give it away when the time is obviously right to do so.The club should nip this in the bud now,Kouta should announce his retirement and we give him a fine send off against the slime in round 21.

malbi · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:44 pm

The disappointing aspect of Kouta's season has been the rate of knots that he is deteriorating. Last year he had a very good year and won our B&F. This year he would be lucky to be in our best 20. Some people ignorantly believe that he is still in our best 5 (e.g. Allison for one).

I am still undecided whether I want Kouta to play on for another year or not. I would love him to get to 300 games, but playing every game next year wouldn't do it anyway. He still has 4 more games to prove himself this year. However, I want 8 new positions on our list at the end of the year and Kouta may be one that just might have to go.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Said Denis has asked him to play on but is yet to decide.

Dave denies leaking the story.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:28 pm

7dominator wrote:

Not sure how many saw Kouta's interview on "White line Fever" but in my opinion he provided a very fair,balanced and reasonable response to all questions and diplomatic in the process.

When questioned he gave himself as a 50/50 chance of playing on next year.

I got the feeling he was embarrassed about his manager.

Interestingly Liam Pickering stuck the knife in Allison about his habit of taking issues to the press.

Yeah, I just saw it on the replay. I also thought Kouta looked pretty circumspect too and quite tired TBH. I agree that he seemed pretty fair, but I also think he was a bit miffed by the offer. That siad, I also think he now has a much clearer picture as to who is holding all the aces this time around.

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:43 pm

camelboy wrote:

I also think he now has a much clearer picture as to who is holding all the aces this time around.

The problem is that !@#$%& Allison is playing with a pinochle deck. :roll:

tommi · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:40 am

Hey Munga............

i bet what you just wrote was really clever............!

i've just got this feeling.......!

kindest regards tommi

molsey · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:24 am

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Carlto ... 27959.html

Never earned a million! Poor fella, that changes everything!

bluey · **Joined:** Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:25 am **Posts:** 8

This discussion reminds me of the women sitting around the guillotine
knitting, and waiting for the blade to drop.
I hope the youinger players are reading this, and realise what they are in for, when they get "old" and "useless".

Lets hope at least a few of them can give the club the same dedication and service that Kouta has.
He has been paid well. So have many others. They all havent earned the money like Kouta has.
Without his knee injuries, he would have 2 brownlows at least.

.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 62,00.html

Quote:

Kouta is a special person in Carlton's modern history.

Yes, he's been handsomely paid for a long period, but he has given plenty back.

He has played with the Blues for 15 seasons, in 263 games; he has been the club's major marketing tool for 5-7 years, has finished top three in the best-and-fairest five times, is the reigning club champion and captain.

He deserves better.

If Kouta wants to play and Denis Pagan wants him to continue, he should play on. On money that acknowledges his standing in the club.

He shouldn't suffer the indignity of having to argue for more than the average payment to 600-odd players.

At the start of next season, only Koutoufides, Barnaby French and Matthew Lappin will be 30 or older on the Carlton list. Adelaide will have seven 30-somethings if all the current players continue.

While the game belongs to the young, there's a place for wise old heads, for stability, for leadership, for mentors.

Great players deserve to depart gracefully.

Most of them were underpaid when they were young. Who cares if they get a little extra in the end? Kouta is entitled to $300,000.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html

Quote:

It would be a drastic pay cut on what the Blues champion is earning this year, but last night he strongly denied claims his pay packet this season was more than $1 million.
"Let me make it clear, it's not anywhere near that figure. Yes, I'm getting paid well, but I also agreed to the club's wishes six years ago to help out with a back-ended contract," Koutoufides said.

"I agreed because the club was struggling and they wanted to back-date it to last year, as half of it would only go into the salary cap as I'd be on the veterans' list. I'm not a player who's driven by money, but I'm like anyone -- I have a family to look after."

Koutoufides has sacrificed his own financial situation on numerous occasions during his career for the sake of the club.

The Blues realise how popular Koutoufides is with the club's supporters and the possible backlash if he is treated poorly."

I will not discuss anything to do with the details of the contract, but what I will say is that I'm not selfish and the navy Blue jumper means a hell of a lot to me," Koutoufides said.

Blue Bird · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:53 am

bluey wrote:

This discussion reminds me of the women sitting around the guillotine
knitting, and waiting for the blade to drop.
I hope the youinger players are reading this, and realise what they are in for, when they get "old" and "useless".

Lets hope at least a few of them can give the club the same dedication and service that Kouta has.
He has been paid well. So have many others. They all havent earned the money like Kouta has.
Without his knee injuries, he would have 2 brownlows at least.

.

Well said Bluey â€“ some people seem to want to take him straight to the glue factory.

I hope Kouta retires and I donâ€™t think the money the club is talking about is unreasonable let alone insulting but some of the abuse being meted out to a champion of our club is very sad.

AGRO · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:19 am

tommi wrote:

Hey Munga............

i bet what you just wrote was really clever............!

i've just got this feeling.......!

kindest regards tommi

Not as clever as what you always write Palikari. :lol:

AGRO · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:28 am

bluey wrote:

This discussion reminds me of the women sitting around the guillotine
knitting, and waiting for the blade to drop.
I hope the youinger players are reading this, and realise what they are in for, when they get "old" and "useless".

Lets hope at least a few of them can give the club the same dedication and service that Kouta has.
He has been paid well. So have many others. They all havent earned the money like Kouta has.
Without his knee injuries, he would have 2 brownlows at least.

.

GWS · **Posted:** Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:10 am

Mike 'The Genius' Sheahan wrote:

Most of them were underpaid when they were young. Who cares if they get a little extra in the end? Kouta is entitled to $300,000.

If Mike says we should keep him by golly maybe we should!

If anyone was looking for a reason to sharpen the axe the endorsement of Kouta by Mike is about as good as it gets I reckon.

Unfortunately some people seem to think that longevity equates to "leadership". The only player at our club since Kernahan who's shown anything like the level of leadership we should all expect from senior players is Andrew McKay.

Funnily enough both Kernahan and McKay knew exactly when to pull the pin.

Kouta re-signs for 2007

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