umm...yes

Same here Blue Vain

Very confusing, I hope Josh is right (Moulton and Harrison to align themselves with the new ticket) because as much as it seems that they are contradicting themselves by saying they are independant but at the same time loyal to the current board - both men seem to have a lot to offer.

Can someone answer this? when and if the rival ticket is announced will both Moulton and Harrison need to declare who they are supporting?

Quite a contradiction indeed that Smorgon wont be happy with Id've thought.

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So we're all really happy with the new ticket are we? Is this the ticket being set up by Lofts and bad Jack to be headed by De Lutis!!!! Is this the best we can do? Are these the visionary new saviours we have been waiting for??? You're kidding!! Where is the new blood? This has got to be some sort of a joke.

Lets just wait to see the full composition of any rival tickets before we start to jump to conclusions on individuals.

I know you've probably have heard this before, but there are some heavyweights (other than J.Elliott) doing their 'thang' in the background to get the best possible people to run the place - John Elliott is no longer at the club in an official capacity and nor will he ever be.

It's all square from here in terms of who fronts for board positions and what they can contribute from a skills base (except Smorgon is probably starting 10 lengths behind dur to the damage of the past few months).

It's a wait and see - oh how January is going to be good!!!!!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Not sure he would be 10 lengths behind De Lutis, and Elliott won't be on a new board, but he is clealry being touted as the power behind it, and is happy to hint he is the brains behind in interviews over the last few months. I want to vote for change not the past and people who claim to be in the know are hinting De Lutis is the key man in this backed by Lofts and Elliott. I was hoping a new ticket would be new, not just last weeks slop reserved as tonights dinner. I guess if we all waited for the new ticket there would be no posts on here rather than innumerable posts. On the news so far I can't see anything to be excited about. If a new ticket wants to get up it needs to distance itself as far away from that scum Ellliott as possible.

Gerry, I don't have a problem with some of the "old" crowd being on a democratically elected board. Obviously Elliott won't be on it but if De Lutis is elected because he's seen as the best candidate then so be it. The problem with having an entirely new board is that regardless of their business experience and acumen it's important that there are some who have a reasonable understanding of the AFL and its processes. Look at the difference between the Collo led Carlton One and the Smorgon led Carlton None. Collo may not have been Mr. Inspiration but he understood the AFL far better than anyone we currently have on the board and we're worse off for that current lack of understanding.

Obviously Elliott is going to be close to some of those who may run and if they get up he'll no doubt feel more comfortable returning to the club as a supporter but I'm not worried about the prospect of him being some silent puppeteer - it's just not going to happen. He doesn't have the power he once did and those likely to run are now far more powerful and influential in the business world than Jack is today. Elliott can pretend he's the "brains" behind a new ticket as much as he likes but I think in the end you'll find that he's a convenient distraction for those who really wield the power and influence (but like to remain in the background) as he always was.

As Wangers has said why don't we wait and see how the various factions pan out and then make a decision rather than endlessly jumping at shadows or pumping up tyres.

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I take your point GWS, it's the time of the year when there is not enough footy and too much club politics.....and just on that can anyone give a definitive account of what happened to Collo. I know he resigned as it seems there was a Smorgo led coup in the offing, but how did he lose support and why is it that people who were supporting Smorgos coup are now utterly opposed to him?
Despite Collo's funereal personality he knows more about footy club admin that anyone and had good contacts with a range of people including Fitzy. On the whole, I'd rather he stayed and got a decent succesion plan in place. What's happening looks like a pissing contest between Smorgo and old rivals rather than a way to save the footy club.

Who touted Elliot as the brains behind the new ticket???

Harrison and whatsisname so they can get a leg up in the elections coming up.

Like GWS said.. Elliot has been castrated.

And what was alleged by the new guys will be dispelled pretty quickly.. Delutis has NO backing from Wes Lofts and Jack...


Theyre running scared... the Ellot bogey man tactic has been done to death... and thats how you know theyre short on ideas when theyre using FrightNight tactics .. instead of showing us the money... and showing us a plan.

You can bet that pretty soon another ticket will show us quite abit...

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Youre off the mark here gerry...

Just wait and see who the new ticket is and what they will come to play with....

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What exactly is it that you want out of a ticket/board synbad? And thats an honest question because it seems to me - and i'm sure to many others aswell - that anyone who throws their name into the ring instantly faces your wrath. Now dont get me wrong, we should, as carlton fans, be wary of all new imports. But surely in the same regard, its our responsibility to hear them out and see what they can do for our football club.

You slammed Harrison and Moulton immediately before you heard a word of their intentions. Now that we know a little bit more of the pair, perhaps a different judgemtns can be made.




"Harrison is well connected at the top end of town and is an investment banker and lifelong Carlton supporter."
"Moulton is chairman of prominent law firm Mills Oakley while Harrison is a director of Ashe Morgan Winthrop -- a property finance and investment group."

"Both have ties with the mortgage industry and it is understood they'll generate much-needed revenue if successful at the club's election."




"Moulton and Harrison have also revealed, if successful in the upcoming elections, they'll generate revenue streams of about $1 million from their extensive business networks.

The pair are heavily aligned with club legend Stephen Kernahan and fellow director Adrian Gleeson and have been endorsed by 1995 premiership heroes Greg Williams and Fraser Brown who want change at board level."



"We cannot be reliant on the AFL. We must be independent and stand on our own two feet."
"Both Stephen and I are committed to generating revenue streams and funds from Carlton people who will return to the club IF we are elected"

So tell me, does that answer some of your questions?
Does that get us any closer to where we need to be to form an opinion on moulton, harrison and the "Unity ticket"??

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Yep.
If they're on Smorgons ticket and aligning themselves with him, they're dead ducks.

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I have no doubt that at worst, under a Moulton/Harrison combo, Smorgon will be a board member. At worst.

Still expect some dialogue between the two tickets-- Harrison understands that the best combination of people from both tickets is required, and egos cannot stand in the way in order to do this.

commited to finding revenue streams???

When????
Im commited to finding them too... just put me on the board and ill say the same thing...

theyre not going to get any money returning to the club from other people.. because theyre not needed to do that....

Youre seriously out of the loop and so are they...

They took the easy way out...
Theyre Sticks mates.. and ya know what???... if Smorgon gets pushed out they will probably run on a ticket with a Sticks for president slogan to stay on the board... and thats a distinct possibility the way things are going...

And that would be a disaster for this club!!!

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It is clear that Smorgons priority is himself, therefore the members MUST VOTE HIM OUT OF THE BOARDROOM!

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Why is it that you assume that everyone who comes into our footy club has the intention to destroy it??
HOW DO YOU KNOW that theyre "not going to get any money returning to the club from other people"?? Theyve already revealed that they have the support of fraser brown, who we know is willing to throw his money around.
Harrison's biuggest criticism of the club over the past few years has been the disintegration of the market department and the subsequent loss of corporate support. You forget synbad, that this is his proffession. This is his area of expertice. If someone like Harrison cannot bring in new money, i doubt that anyone can.
And believe me Synbad, if i were out of the loop, i wouldnt be making these comments.
Seems to me like you may be the one out of the loop...

I'm glad to see new talent come in to the club Shagfan but the method used is unsavoury. Seconding allies onto the board is treating the members with contempt IMO.
Just so we know you are coming from an unbiased position Shagfan, do you know either of these gentlemen and are you related to either?

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Harrison is SHAGFAN's cousin. And Shagfan is spot on the mark, harrison will generate millions for us. the problem is not what he will do on the board, its the manner in which he got on the board. new board members should be elected not co-opted. in this case, harrison is a ripper in my opinion, can generatem oney and has business contacts. but all board members should be elected by the members.

Do I know you BO?? How in the world would you know whether im related to harrison?? I'd love to know how you can come up with something like that.

I HAVE known Mark Harrison for a very long time...i've in fact been going to carlton games with mark harrison for a very long time. Thats all anyone needs to know really. i write to all of you Talkingcarlton posters as a fellow carlton supporter with the clubs best interests at heart. If Harrison was to act in a manner that i thought was detrimental to our club, i would respond in the same manner as anyone else on this site. All im trying to do, considering i do indeed know Harrison well, is provide you all with more information on him so that come election time, we can all make the right decision.

If you declared your friendship with Harrison with your first post on him perhaps you might have gotten a better reception to your thoughts.

People who post here in the coming days, who don't declare their relationships to board members, will quickly get found out. The walls have ears around TC

Regards Cazzesman

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