Wells would have to be one of the biggest disappointments to come out of that draft. There are plenty that went much later that are much better. Simmo is one that springs to mind.

Wells hasn't been disappointing and I struggle to find players who were drafted later that are "much better" than Wells.

Yes i really believe youre worthless on a board and if it wasnt for me you would contribute nothing.
I made you... youre not much .. but i did make you!!!...

and you dont stir me up... if youre spending your time stirring me up on a Carlton board.. youre even kore useless than i thought you are... and thats useless.

And how do you question me?
When ive asked you where is ONE SINGLE POST you have contributed here that you have initiated off your own bat and you cant???

Like i said.. no me.. no you...
but that doesnt work the other way round..

thats putting things into perspective for you...

PS Im sure there is a a crowd of people waiting for your next post...

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Byron Schammer , Brent Staker and Kade Simpson have been clearly more effective IMO. When you consider the reputation Wells had compared to them then yes he has been disappointing. Ryan Crowley is another that springs to mind.

It only took a few posts for your credibility to be shot.

The thing that annoys me about this is that for months there have been authors on this site who spew forth vitriol, rumour, opinion and "inside knowledge" as gospel and so far what has actually occured? You can answer that question all yourselves. As I have stated in the past, it would be folly to believe anything that these type of self-efficacious wankers want to write. In all reality THEY DON'T KNOW what is going on in the inner sanctum, and those of us on here who continue to believe their rumours, or get emotionally caught up in them are only feeding these people's egos. Apparently big-noting yourself on an internet forum is something to be remarkably proud of (or gives more thrills than a cyber-sex chat room???)

Thank God it is only 2 months till the footy starts. Mind you, the gossip and ego-driven bile will not stop until an AGM is called and the member's make a decision on their new President and Board. I sincerely doubt this will stop the ego-maniacs with their continued attacks on everything, and everyone.

I don't have the magic answer - I don't need to. If and when the AGM is called, I will cast my vote and then put trust in whoever is elected to drag the Carlton Football Club out of this mess. Whingeing, complaining and bitching about anything and everyone that one doesn't like or agree with is not going to fix the problems.

I don't pretend to know who is going to form a ticket or who is interested in being a white knight or what playoy bunny is going to pop out of a cake UNTIL things are actually announced and there is something there to discuss intelligently. All this rumour-mongering and bile-spitting is very very tiresome and is honestly a complete waste of time. It seems like every week since the end of the footy season there has been a rumour of some impending change or challenge and guess what. So far - NOTHING. NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO, JACK etc, etc, etc.

I would suggest to most of you that you wait until there is something concrete to discuss and stop feeding these ego-centric flower-sticks because honestly, once they have an audience they can pretty much say what they in here, true or not, and they get a reaction and feed their addiction. It's a sickness people. Cold turkey is the only cure.!! Oh that and some involuntary stay in a "health resort"

Wake me when something happens - or when the footy starts. Whichever comes first.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could someone please pass the salt?

Can we ask GS?

Cool. Whatever you say.

They have all ranked around the same mark in 2006. Wells came with a HUGE reputation yet has delivered no more than any of these players IMO. To me , that says he is overrated.

Chyna, I hate the crap-slinging that goes on here - especially during the off-season - but if there was none of this, the site would probably be dead during this periood... and I'd have nothing to read!!

Also, having said that - if everything was rosy at the club - none of this would be mentioned either!

There is no alternative to the currnet board.

Don't vote for change for the sake of it.

We need to embrace or merge. Those who like infighting and politican are pushing us closer to the North MELBOURNE Blues.

BE CAREFUL

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I too want to hear out the vision and plans of the rival ticket. But really, what is the risk in supporting the challenge? They couldn't be any worse. To me Smorgon has failed on all accounts - lack of leadership, no vision, no business nous, inability to attract sponsors, and the list goes on...I would rather let someone new have a go.

Plenty of risk. They either bring the money, or outline their plans for erasing debt and increasing revenue succinctly. Smorgon isn't progressive, whether he can afford to be with our finances as they are, I have no idea. I believe Smorgon can get us back to cash neutral eventually but not in the timeliest or most efficient way. I don't believe he is further digging us into the mire through his own actions, just hoping we can hold on while he takes his own sweet time about correcting things based on his own limitations.

The new ticket has to show something more than that. A new ticket will come in, clear off the tables and start with their own plans. If they can't clearly outline what they will do and how long it will take, then we could get more of the same only over a longer period as Smorgon and co have already started their planning, whatever that may be.

This chat with Smorgon tomorrow will be very interesting now, and hopefully he doesn't get baited into talking about Sinn and Elliot, or more importanly doesn't take the bait. He's better served concentrating on his own issues.

Agree, this needs to happen.



I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying that we should be reactive beacuse of our dire financial position?

What are you basing this belief on ? Because I cannot come up with one critical issue that Smorgon has managed competently.



Do you have information that they have started planning or is it just speculation? Also the matter is about developing and implementing a sound plan. After the blunders of the last few months it is difficult to trust Smorgon and co to come up with anything robust.

Just a belief. Debts gradually being written down, new blood on the board. Just a feeling is all. Not going to stand behind it and defend it like most opinions.



Just common sense really. Smorgon has finally done something proactive and started looking for people to bring funds into the club. If the new board members are elected, there were promises of funds coming in with them. I'll have to give Smorgon the benefit of the doubt on one point here. He only became president immediately before the season. It seems he hasn't done much to shore up the club but is manouevring since the season finished. We have had some board changes and with that change comes new ideas. A new ticket would probably go back to the drawing board so may start some months behind the current board. If their plan is better, then it will be obvious in the coming weeks. If their plan is not obviously better in comparison, and no money is coming in, then making the change possibly just causes a postponement in addressing our problems as they move into offices, fire and hire applicable staff and sit down to assess the situation. Smorgon and co have already assessed the situation so it stands to reason they are ahead time wise in deciding where to go from here.

Again, just an observation. The new ticket needs to be seen to be offering more for the change to be worthwhile.

Can't half tell you''re Smorgon sympathiser. The bottom line is that a new ticket cannot be worse than the embarrassing, divided, incompetent, fractured rabble we have now that are the AFL's bumboys. Any risk in electing in a new ticket can only be minimal.

You can't half tell much at all. I can produce posts critical of Smorgon. I play the devil's advocate usually swimming upstream against the general opinion at the time. Just because I don't get swept along in the traffic, doesn't mean I have an opposing opinion.

100% agree - his list of failures last year was enormous. At the bottom of it all he just makes the wrong decisions time and time again. There is no risk in choosing the Sinn Ticket.

Can you please post the list?

No risk?

The club is in a precarious position and there is no risk???

I don't know who I am voting for yet, but I am sure I will be carefully studying what all the incumbents and challengers are offering for the future and trying to use my best judgement from there.

To blindly vote without knowing what everyone has to offer is to put our club at risk.

This is one of the most important elections in the history of the club, we as voting members have to get it right, if we get it wrong the consequences could be dire.

Whether that means keeping people already there or voting new people in we should wait until all the cards are on the table to make a decision.

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