Definitely on the same page Paddy.

Funny thing though, I used to get really into the games. This to the point where the stress/anxiety would become a health issue. I was never an obnoxious supporter, but I do remember my young lad a few years ago telling me after a close Essendon* game that I got a bit "frightening". Nothing abusive or nasty or anything - just a bit intense in my encouragement for the team.

It's taken nearly twenty years but it's hard to imagine being like that now - and the truth is I don't think I really want to go back. I would like to have a team with hope though that I could at least follow with some optimism and "managed" enthusiasm.

Wow Kev you and I are REALLY similar!

Tony Shaw says Carlton is arrogant if they maintain their stance on NOT asking for a PP. He's right !
But that's nothing new, Carlton has always been seen as arrogant. Something you will get away with if you are near or on top of the tree.
Things are different now, as the club endures the worst period in it's history, it can't afford to knock back any opportunity that may come it's way. The PP is probably a 1%er in the big picture, but you take anything you can get these days.

In my view the clubs present stance is arrogance personified. Arrogance that is becoming stupidity.

I just hope Carlton has the courage to backtrack on this.

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+1.

of course he is right a green CEO gets sucked into a position halfway through a season and the rest have to back him - completely unnecessary for Chad to do this at the time -CEO on L plates trying to be hairy chested -ridiculous at the time and seemingly more ridiculous every week

Win one game for the season and be on the bottom by more than 3 games - in what universe doesn't that side get a PP - in what universe doesn't that club ask for one

I'll go with Daisy Pearce rather than Tony Shaw.

Not that long ago the footy media was pretty much unanimous in saying Carlton does not deserve a priority pick. In response the club publicly said: "We won't ask for a priority pick".

Behind closed doors the club apparently said: "Hold my beer."

The footy media is now almost unanimous in saying Carlton need a priority pick.

Genius.

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Pick 3 or pick 19?

Which pick will help a team with 1 win, and which pick wont help them enough?

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We require multiple priority picks and should be requesting the same ...

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Always ask for more than you want.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Both semi-literate Rexy - not much to choose between the two of them but Shaw at least has coached an AFL side albeit unsuccessfully and captained a premiership side

Also at least during the salary cap drama now many years ago was almost a lone voice in the media in saying that penalties dealt out to Carlton were too harsh -and as an objective matter they were

Why did the club have to say anything at all. Just like SOS saying everything is for sale or players saying we're just following the process, working on our structures and taking it 1 game at a time. Use more meaningless non-commital drivel that is easily avoided if you change your mind, take a lesson from the politicians. Vague generalisations that can be reinterpreted later to support whatever position you like when you eventually make your decision. All the club needed to say was:

"we will consider that decision at the end of the season, right now we are just concentrating on beating [insert opposition here] this weekend".

Speculation and mealy mouthed weasel words from amateurs has essentially created a needless drama.

Judd has been rolled out to explain it all and frankly, as much as I like Judd he should take a leaf from Kevin Rudd's playbook and just start avoiding the question. Every time he tries to justify the initial mistake he makes it worse. Probably the best thing to do would be to admit the board got it wrong and commit to chasing a PP. It would be a week of speculation over the amateur way they've handled it and then onto something else. If they let it linger it will keep going beyond Draft day. Needless and deflating. Totally nugatory waste of time that can only divide members and supporters. If we dont get one there will be the needless drama of 'did we ask for it' or was the AFL influenced against giving us one by our public statements and if we do get one there will be the needless drama of 'are we going to knock it back or is our board composed of hypocrites'.

Just dumb!

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I think Daisy Pearce is fantastic.

He's a good Carlton man is Tony...

Harry Madden's jumper from memory.

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happy Rexy you think she is fantastic you obviously don't rate Shaw -I don't rate either particularly - neither in my view is very insightful in providing non footballers with an insiders view - but having said that very few on commercial tv or radio are -Carey BT and the boundary riders generally give you nothing hello Richo Lingy etc

2ND EFFORT -you nailed it a green CEO makes a dumb comment or thought bubble and we are stuck defending it every week to the ire of our fans as the season falls further down the mire and everyone else supporters and media alike watch us squirm as we try to defend an untenable position and the other clubs and supporters hope like hell that we continue to dig ourselves into a bigger hole so we don't get one

On the flip side no-one is suggesting we’re tanking this year.

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I would MUCH rather a proper fitness and medical regime than a priority pick.

Pick 2 or 19 ain't going to make that big a difference. Don't get me wrong, we are deserving of some help and I hope we do get an extra pick, BUT the biggest issues are of our own making.

The CEO needs to have a proper review of our dysfunctional medical situation. Fix that first otherwise we will always stink. Begging for help is losing situation.

Why can’t we have both?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.