I couldnt agree more Woof.

THat's why I think this statement is misleading.

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Thats what a strong leader does, he brings the list together so that he is speaking on behalf of the total list.

When Michael Voss comes out and speaks about Aker do you think there are many Brisbane players who he isn't speaking on behalf of?

If Sticks came and said something 10 years ago do you think there were players who didn't agree with him?

You'll always have a few who are disgruntled about something, but if Sticks were still playing and captain and he came out in support of the coach it would carry a lot of weight. Anyone who was seen to contradict what he ahd said would have been brought swiftly into line.

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Has there ever been a football team in any code anywhere where all of the players were united as one behind a coach?? I guess we've all learned that even for the mighty Brisbane at least one of their players hasnt been a fan of the coaches for a while now. Obviously there are guys that wouldnt be happy, probably most of them playing for the Bullants and wondering what's going to happen when their contract runs out in October. Wondering why the coach cant quite see how they are the next Chris Judd.

Every club would have unhappy players on their lists. Until we can make everybody on the list a superstar and play them every week whilst paying them what they want and letting them live where they want, train when and how they like and play their own favourite position and duration, then we will have unhappy players. What is important though is the main group. We have some of our team leaders coming out to speak on behalf of the group and be united.

How did you all feel when Voss came out and said the Lions group was unhappy with Aker a couple of weeks ago. There would have been some blokes in that group that maybe even sided with Aker, but strong leaders held the group together and sent a message to the world that its their way or the highway. Did anybody question whether all of the players were really behind Voss??

In answer to Kingkerna, the fringe players dont often get interviewed by the media in relation to these things. It's normally the senior players like Kouta, Lappin, Fev and Stevo. Occasionally we get Murph as well. Last week Stevo, this week Fev maybe next week Kouta or Lance who knows. Pick somebody from the leadership group or with the marketing allowance and they will be the ones to make comment. It's probably the same at most clubs. Who in the media would want to interview Callum Chambers right now??

Yeah I reckon Fev likes Dennis and wants to support the guy who saved his career. Maybe Stevens is just another bloke who likes the coach. More likely I reckon they have been sent out as spokespeople for the playing group to make a statement to counter all of the speculation.

Fev doesnt always make comments at training. He might sign a few shirts and have a laugh on his way in/out but he doesnt have to stop and be interviewed. He would have done this as part of the media strategy, not because he has some kind of emotional link to the guy that saved his career. He is the highest profile Blue right now and if anybody is going to get in the papers on behalf of the players, it would be him or Kouta (especially seing Stevo said the same thing last week).

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Going on what Fev just said , i would expect Denis to serve out his contract.....

The proof is in the pudding...

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I have no doubt Pagan will serve out his contract, but what happens after that will be interesting. Reckon both he and the playing group will be doing it tough at the moment. I know some supporters are

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No it's not mate. It's actually what happens. That's life. It's how it works in any organisation. air the dirty laundry in-house, make it all a nice and "luvvy-duvvy" image for the public. If you want to rationalise that otherwise that's your problem. Haven't you been watching football over the last 4 years. That tells you alot more than any "party line" interview. One thing you learn in life.....actions speak louder than words. It's more a case that you don't want to believe. Think you just shot yourself in the foot with that point.

Sticks did....as captain in 1989. A few weeks later Walls was sacked because he had lost the players. Anything else?! Think you just shot yourself in the foot making that point.

Proves the point....a strong leader can bring the list together.

Who's going to unite the playing list against Pagan?

Kouta?

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Look they can trot out the whole entire playing group and say they are right behind Pagan. And quite frankly I couldn't give a shit if they did.

If they choose to ignore the very people who provide their lively hood and thats the fans and the supporters they can do so at their own perril

The fans will decide if they are happy with the coach and their style of play and the development of the club not any one else - Not Fev Not Kouta Not even Stevens . Because when we dont turn up to the games on mass and when another 4000-5000 dont renew their memberships next year then the board might sit up and take notice

The supporters of this side by and large have sat back and been patient watching their colors sit at the bottom of the table for almost 5 years now but if they keep dishing up tripe like they did on sunday large numbers will drop off and drop off very quickly

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Proved my point ....yes! As I said Sticks, like Fev yesterday, came out in public and said he and the players were 100% behind the coach back in 1989 when it was obvious to all that Walls had lost them. Surely enough, Walls was sacked as coach a few weeks later.

When was the last time our captain did an interview?

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=audio

Shows who's doing the interviews lately- Mostly Fev, a bit of Houla & Murphy. Stevo & Lance also but not mentioned there. No Kouta & I can't remember when he last did one.

Let's agree to disagree then. My interpretaion of what I see happening when I watch football means Jack sh1t in the big scheme of things. I dont think I'm trying to 'rationalise' anything and I'm not sure that I have a problem. I might have a different opinion to you, but that is not necessarily a problem. Only time will tell. There is an unsubstantiated rumour going around that Pagan is renegotiating his contract. Might be all b*llsh1t, who knows.

End of the day I will agree with you one thing, actions speak louder than words and I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

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No more misleading when James Hird does it, Nathan Buckley does it or any other leader. Blind Freddie knows it is misleading.

Bit of damage control from the clubs most popular player...Denis must be feeling the heat if the club had to trot Fev out with that spin.....Wayne Brittain was popular with the players too....as Wayne could tell you that didnt count for much. Pagans expensive contract and our poor finances are the only reason he is still coaching....

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Is the Carlton Football Club still functional enough to be able to engage in spin...?

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I think Elwood has hit it on the head there. I wouldn't read anything into Fev's comments, the board will be making the decisions on the coach, and unfortunately those decisions will be dictated by finance and contracts. Does anyone really think DP would survive beyond this season if his conract was up? We've changed the players, we've changed the committee, we've changed the recruiters, what's left? The same core coaching group we've had for 4 dismal years. Maybe no-one else could do any better but I can't think of a coach in history at any club that has survived a performance like ours over the last 4 years, with no end in sight.

If the players are so much behind DP why don't they show a bit more passion on the field? And maybe the players aren't in a great position to compare the coaching at Carlton to other clubs. Particularly strategies, set plays and proactivism on match day. We have none of these qualities, other clubs do (and for that matter so did the much maligned Wayne Brittain who couldn't have possibly have done any worse than DP).

DP has strengths but he is outdated and we just haven't improved and too many of these 'kids' everyone talks about have stalled or gone backwards.

Fevs comments are either genuine or they're not.

As Carlton supporters you must look and understand all possibilities; it's human to be suspicious.

However, it's not a strong position to hold when a leading/senior player comes out in the navy blue and makes some comments, and you choose to not believe them. What do you prefer him to do? Say nothing? That's what Kouta does and do you accept that? No you don't.

Damned if you do damned if you don't. Give him at least the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what the agenda is, but I've got a good understanding of why there are two schools of thought. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt as it's more logical and less emotional to do so; a much stronger position to hold. Not to be dismissive.

The real issue that supporters have failed to come to grips with is that we bottomed out in 2002, and we have got the competition's youngest and weakest list (in terms of strength and experience)...and some of you really sound like we should be in the finals, and suggest that it's Denis' fault because he's lost the players. Quite possible, but where's the proof? One or two older fringe players? Big deal. Majority rules. If Fev represents the players, he's representing the majority. That's what counts.

A few have maintained that the development methodology applied for our kids is questionable. And yes, I give them the benefit of the doubt, given they were at training sessions and I was not, and I support their quest for improvement/attention in this area. The proof is before their eyes (assuming it's not a snap shot), but I also do know that our skills need much attention which makes that grievance one easy to support.

Well done 2nd. No argument from me.

The only weakness in your support for Fevs comments as being genuine is if the knife unexpectadly comes out in a few weeks, and the the posters suspicious about Fevs agenda will hit you up with 'I told you so'. At least you were willing to give a man the benefit of the doubt.

Believe what you want to believe, but don't belittle 2nd as naive, easily convinced and submissive when he's just responding to the facts put before him.

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Yep. Always room for a bit of bullsh1t!!

Pagan caused the Hindenburg disaster.

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Pagan was responsible for the stolen generation.