and yeah I'm a flower

It's not my choice though is it?

As supporters we have no bearing on what happens on the field so wankers who tell me I'm not allowed to enjoy a win can go whinge to someone else.

If I want Josh Kennedy to play ahead of ADL, is that tanking?
DeLuca may offer more today but the development of Josh will pay off in years to come. In reality, I'm sacrificing today for the medium to long term benefit of Carlton.

I'd rather see Jesse Smith or Ryan Jackson get a run and let Kouta or Stevo get any surgery they need now. Obviously Kouta was struggling with injury before he missed with his hand injury. Why wasnt he rested to get him right.
Stevo is affected by a leg injury at the moment.
Am I tanking if I put him in for surgery or a rest so a youngster can offer 100% compared to Stevo's 70%?
The youngster gets a taste of senior football and Stevo is ready to go next season.

I get frustrated by posters telling other Carlton people they are'nt "real supporters".
If winning is secondary to me at the moment, am I a "pro tanker".
I've stated all along that development should be our priority. I dont care if Denis doesnt win games, his role is to develop a list capable of sustainable success.

Consider Jackson for a game before Prender. Give Jesse Smith a game before Chambers.
It may cost us a game but the long term benefit is more important.
That should be Denis' job description.

If getting greater satisfaction out of the development of our kids over the occasional flukey win is tanking, that'll do me.
If Denis plays the kids and has development as his sole aim, I dont care if we win 6 games or none. he is doing his job well IMO.
However if Denis believes winning games is his primary objective and we miss a priority pick because the coach cant see past today, He should get the arse.

If that's tanking, so be it.

I never said you can't enjoy wins. I just asked you who you would prefer.
I take my daughter to the footy every week and she loved it on Saturday. In 5 years time when she understands a bit more about footy she might ask me why Carlton did not pick up that kid who was draft pick 17 or 19 in the 2006 draft? My response will be ...... remember that game we won against Melbourne or Hawthorn or Richmond in 2006 when the season was over? She'll say not really dad.
End of story.

Agree with all of that.....i'm waiting for the day when clubs start trading established stars straight after a flag....players who are still ok but wont be part of the next premiership but might help another team....Leppitch, Aker, the Scotts and Michael are examples of players who Brisbane should have got rid of after the three flags....instead of signing these fading stars on long term deals like your Koutas and Mercuri's clubs should be thinking about what they are worth and cashing in....
If you dont want to bottom out then you have to do it...

I never said you can't enjoy wins. I just asked you who you would prefer.
I take my daughter to the footy every week and she loved it on Saturday. In 5 years time when she understands a bit more about footy she might ask me why Carlton did not pick up that kid who was draft pick 17 or 19 in the 2006 draft? My response will be ...... remember that game we won against Melbourne or Hawthorn or Richmond in 2006 when the season was over? She'll say not really dad.
End of story.

I never said you can't enjoy wins. I just asked you who you would prefer.
I take my daughter to the footy every week and she loved it on Saturday. In 5 years time when she understands a bit more about footy she might ask me why Carlton did not pick up that kid who was draft pick 17 or 19 in the 2006 draft? My response will be ...... remember that game we won against Melbourne or Hawthorn or Richmond in 2006 when the season was over? She'll say not really dad.
End of story.

and she would say "if i knew what I knew now i would have been barracking against them as well, why the hell didn't you try and tell me, I am moving out of home and don't speak to me again."

I hope you're not buying her birthday and christmas presents now then. In 5 years time when she asks why can't I have a new playstation for my birthday....your response will be remember when I spent $40 on that Barbie Doll in 2005 and $30 on that little musical train that you used to press buttons on...she'll say not really Dad.

You can rest assured that Denis/ his assistants and the players will be pulling out all stops for a win because they know that if they don't and we win the spoon the club will react pretty savagely and some will be gone at the end of the year. And we're just on lookers so it doesn't matter what we think or want anyway. Might as well enjoy the wins when they come or otherwise why support the club?

couldn't it be argued Elwood that Brisbane seem to be developing their kids and staying competitive because they held on to Voss, Michael and co?

And that Acker is gone because he is seen (rightly or wrongly) to be damaging this development.

If I want Josh Kennedy to play ahead of ADL, is that tanking?
DeLuca may offer more today but the development of Josh will pay off in years to come. In reality, I'm sacrificing today for the medium to long term benefit of Carlton.

I see it as Carlton should put out the best 22 players they have every game with an eye to the future.