stanger things have happened.
the filth are always a chance of crashing and burning IMO.

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dane's trolling again

If all goes well, based on potential of our group of developing youngsters I expect 2007 to look like this:

I've put them in groups, not in ladder position, starting with the top 3, ending with the bottom 3.

WCE
Adel
Freo

Swans
Saints
Doggies

Melb
Geel
Port

Carlton
Coll
Rich
Hawks

Essendon*
Kangas
Brisbane

Bower and Setanta have really shown something I didn't expect. I expect Hartlett to do what he was earmarked to do preseason in 2007, and Flint may press for selection.

I expect Gibbs to be taken at #1, along with pick 17 or 19 making it at some stage into the first 22. Add the return and improvement of Murphy and Kennedy. Given we will also have 1st pick of the pre saeson draft, we should also land someone there...against the odds, maybe the wildcard Akermanis (or someone of value)...I've read that Aker doesn't want to come to Carlton, but that was a TC poster, and not from the horses mouth.

If somehow we can snag a ruckman, or DeLuca steps up as a ruckman (could happen...albeit slim), then I would expect us to end up above Coll, Rich, Hawks, Ess, Kanga and Brizzy; tht's 10th from 16th.

I'll take that.

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I think we'll be bottom 3 and have the same tanking/non-tanking argument.

I think the kids may string two or even three wins together and say another 3 wins across that year - that's 5 to 6 wins but I expect their glimpse of blue sunshine to move from dawn to about 10am.

Its just that I think our list will be even younger and will tire.

But the year after we'll begin to move up.

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Kangaroos....
Essendon* will have Lloyd back which will be worth a few wins so it maybe touch and go if we finish ahead of them...they could also have Bryce Gibbs

Hawthorn and Freo...I'm not sold on Freo....

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- Conor Gillen

If we don't win the spoon next year, we need to place as close to 16th as possible. 13th or 14th with 7 wins.

i think i saw something about that in the paper. oh well not like we need him.

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I reckon if we pick Gibbs and get a new coach, we'll be half decent...

a good run with injuries and we might be the real improver next season, if blokes like Bower et.al kick on, and a couple of our other picks turn out to have an immediate impact.

If we take a hard line and trade Whitnall and Stevens, which I hope we do, we might not win as many games, but it'll be better for us in the long run.

Sack Pagan + Pick Gibbs = 9th-14th
Sack Pagan + Not pick Gibbs = 12-16th
Keep Pagan + Pick Gibbs = 14-16th
Keep Pagan + Not pick Gibbs = 16th for sure

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so the difference between Pagan and another coach is two places????

Then aren't we better off keeping Denis for 1 more year and go for the 1,2 picks and then sack him?

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i left out 2008, 2009 and beyond

Tanking has its place, but now its enough.... there's only so long we can build toward something.....

One superdraft down and I think we've got adequate talent to start building something special.

There's a point where you've got to come out from under the apron and start winning...

next season should provide that improvement (and there's been a little, but not much, this year)

Tanking is fun for a while, but its enough now blues (AFTER this week)

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but what if next year 2 games out from the end of the season we qualify for picks 1&2?
Do we play toi win?

What about 5 games out?


9 games?


where's the @#$%&! line Ty?

or to put this another way - welcome to tap football.

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I'd say we should retain a focus on developing our superkids, try and win games with adventure and dash, and whatever happens happens.

i reckon if that happens we'll win more games than this year.

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You never know with Football...

Port have only just begun the process of rebuilding... If they clear-out this year to load up in the super-draft... What effect might that have?

What effect might the retirement of Voss, Leppitsch, Scott, etc. have at Brisbane. Not just on the field, but off? Do they really have a club full of leaders?

Essendon* - are they actually shit, or having a bad year?

North's 'tilt' has seemingly ended. Are they in rebuilding mode?

The Doggies - as good as they are, their game is based around runners - what if it were West, Johnson and Cooney that did their knees, not their 'talls'?

Freo - are they still schizophrenic? Will they follow up a finals year with a year of big-headed mediocrity?

Geelong - If Thompson stays, they might just implode.

Adelaide just lost their best forward, and their champions are getting old... Will they be able to compete at the same level next year?

Melbourne - are they still a year-on, year-off side?

St. Kilda - If Harvey and Gherig go...

so Carlton should tank according to when you say and stop tanking when you think so?

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If only there was an "inane question of the week" award on this site

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If we lose plenty of games early in the season it will be the 2005 argument times 1000.

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seriously, tanking is the biggest non-issue this site has ever seen.

Tanking has come to mean "hoping we lose", not "playing to lose"

Traditional tanking means "playing kids"

NEWSFLASH

we only have kids! And next year, we'll have even more!

The reality is, we have to pick a development team and, like any other team, play to win..... whatever we say on this site about "tanking" is irrelevant.

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if that was the case Ty then why is a win deemed meaningless depending on when it occurs?

Why isn't the statement ' this win would be so much better if more kids were playing.'

That I can understand. You enjoy the win and bemoan the limitations (ie say Kouta and Lance starred and drove the win - that win would not be as 'good' a win as Murph and JK and Bowyer playing blinbders and causing an upset).

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I don't think playing Murphy and Gibbs would be a smart thing to do if we're trying to tank.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I would say that statement underpins the disappointment, though. I think a lot of supporters (me included), would prefer to lose with a team with Kennedy in it (and gets game time) than win with a team full of Teague Prendergast and Chambers etc.

I would say 2 number 1 picks, a swag of great young players and the best full-forward in the league... now's the time to put a process in place to BUILD our next premiership team and bugger the results. If we win.. GREAT! another step forward..... if we lose.. no biggee... its a learning experience.

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Bullshit - it has been stated many, many times the win is meaningless, people are selfish to want a win (or to enjoy a win - after the event!) compared to the loss, that we needed to lose, that Pagan was holding the club back by trying to win, and so on - don't put intentions behind their words Ty just take their words at face value because the rest is talking shit.

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