Bryan isn't an AFL ruckman sadly.
DeLuca isn't either.

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Bower, Jackson and Smith didn't play either. I think the Bullies made a blue at the selection table (excuse the pun).

Yes but they are all kids. A guy like Bryan would be competing with Deluca and Mclaren not those 3. The fact that he is not considered a better ruckman than Mclaren or Deluca is a bit of a worry

have to agree Mjonc i just cant see where Deluca fits in he cant ruck he is a terrible mark and has very little awareness as in he thinks slowly and is pretty useless in the modern game where speed is of the essence.

Many times i have seen him get possesion and he lingers not sure what to do with the ball and misses leads or even a player free to run on.

I prefer Bryan and also i think Maclaren has more to offer...

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mjonc, one game against the Swans was bloody impressive, even if I say so myself; really impressive. Did the Swans ruckmen (Ball & Jolly) have a bad day? Because I don't know what else he did after that game to impress you so much. OK maybe after he was dropped,(for good reason) he may not have been given a chance to resurrect his career...I hope that's the case...but he didn't impress me when he played those last few games this year; not even his kicking. His kicking after all is supposedly his strength. He really let himself down.

Look DeLuca, Bryan and McLaren (and throw in French) easily form the weakest ruck combination in the AFL. I would persevere with DeLuca, but at the moment none of them are genuine ruckmen.

We have them on our list as a bandaid to try and fill a BIG gap in the ruck; probably not their best position. Desperate teams do desperate things. We don't have much choice at the moment, so the best we can do is encourage them to do their very best.

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I compared Bryan to Deluca, not Bryan to Cox, Lade or Everitt. Bryan has a 3-4 game patch where he was solo man and handled quite well and his form fell away when he was second string behind French. Have you ever seen Deluca play first ruck? That was my point, Bryan has provided impact in the ruck hence why is would be a joke for him to be delisted over Deluca IMO.

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Also Maclaren had a 2 games when French was injured and did okay

in one match he got 10 tackles and 19 hit outs
i think deluca was back up and had like 6 or 3 hit outs and not much else

Out of Deluca / maclaren / bryan

Deluca is the weakest link cant ruck to save himself .. not the best mark drops to many and ... is slow in his thinking.

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Fair comment....no doubt Bryan is a better mark etc but his decision making can be woeful and for every super boot kick he usually adds a clangar as well...Bryan's work rate is also iffy...none of our rucks are the complete package except McLaren and he isnt big enough.
Deluca has a contract which will save him but its by default only...

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I like Bryan becouse he can take a mark. My Father always told me that
marking was important in football.But if we don't have a ruckman,we have
no choice,we must keep Bryan.

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Personally I hope we keep hold of Hoops .. Corey just needs some goal coaching .. Bryan has been good when he gets a guernsey .. we can't afford to lose Eddie's crumbing skills .. the only other one I have an opinion on is #36 (= good riddance!)

But seriously, which of any of these guys would be interested in staying, and who would we be able to coax across to MCLP / OO / PP?!!?

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Agree that Bryan shows heaps more than Deluca, and even McLaren IMO but seems the club doesnt agree. As I've said before, you can change an attittude, but you cant teach talent

I am reliably informed that Simpson is indeed contracted for 2007 - it was adjusted mid last year and extended by the additional year. great news (because I had expected otherwise).

M

That is good news Molesy. Simmo's one of our few bright lights we cannot lose.

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but synbad said he wasnt contracted.....and he knows everything.

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Are the following players contracted?

Setanta
Walker
Carrazzo
Scotland

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Walks was reported to have signed up for 2 more years at the end of his second year - the same announcement where they signed up Waite for 3 from memory. Given he has just finished Year 3, he has 1 more year to go.

I think Synbad said a little while ago that Setanta had 1 more year to go.

Setanta signed a 2 year deal when he was promoted for this year. So has 1 year to go.

Teague/Scotland/Deluca all signed new deals after the year had finished last year. I would have thought that at the time it was reasonable obvious Teague was under pressure and what we had this year fom him was not a surprise.

So that was bad management about Teague.

Livo/Waite/Walker all were "announced" at the same time and all were not negotiated right at the same time but it was delayed until all 3 had signed as some sort of "young gun" signings for some PR.

It was reported at the time that all 3 were 2 years but that is not the case.

Livo got 1. Waite got 3 and AW got 2.

Scary

The only players I know of that we have contracted beyond 2007 are:

Fevola 2009 ($450 pa)
Waite 2008 ($233 pa)

So we have at least 18 uncontracted players atm plus rookies (and don't know about Walker, Setanta, Scotland and Carrazzo).

So if we're building a team for the future...who are we building it around?

Talk about a clean slate (regarding players and salaries). The more I look at this, the more it's looking like a start up business rather than a ramp up, or rebuild. A very precarious position given the turmoil that's going on at the club.

Nevertheless, I hope that the group we have believe in each other, and having a successful future together and don't let the off field stuff get to them. I'm sure leaders such as Fev and Stevo are doing their best to keep the group tight. Times like these you need your leaders.

I hope to extend the contracts of the interstate boys such as Kennedy next year...during the year and not at the end as we have done with Thornton.

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