Good to hear he's got time in the middle of trade week to talk to supporters. Is he talking to Thornton, Russell, other clubs because according to SEN we're talking to no one.

Actually I reckon there's a chance of finals in 2008 with Denis at the helm (2009 more likely). My problem is not with him getting a bunch of talented kids taken with high draft picks into the finals. Even Grant Thomas can do that.

My problem with Denis is that I think a lot of things have passed him by in terms of player management and match day tactics.

It's the next step after simply making the 8 that worries me and I think once we've made the 8 he'll be immovable.

That said, I don't expect him to be in the job then.

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GWS,

After we lose our first 5 or 6 games at the start of the next season he will get the chop

Lost me at --he has great hopes for Wiggins.

I'm a bit the opposite. I think Denis is a poor coach of a poor team (depends on your point of view though, snagging Walker, Murphy Kennedy and Gibbs in 4 years and supporting Fev he has been worth his salary IMO).

But when he has a half decent team I think Denis is an excellent coach. His record when in the finals is exceptional.

But this more than likely will never be tested at Carlton unless the Blues have a few early wins next year which may give him a chance for 2008(which is very unlikely).

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That's if he's still coaching us for our first 5 or 6 games.

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Turkish Proverb

I'm the opposite to your opposite.
A good coach maximises the positives of his list and creates a gameplan that compliments them.
He gives his players an advantage with tactics and strategies which gives them every opportunity to perform at their best.
Being a poor coach of a poor team = frontrunner.



Peter Schwab could have achieved that for half the cost.

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You're on Page 32 of the songbook too then...?

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Good coach of a poor team or poor coach of a poor team.

Depends on how much you like priority picks.

In footy tipping picking 0 is just as difficult as picking 8.

Peter Schwab would have cost half the money, but we would have burnt two coaches by now. So the cost would have been the same.

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Ryan, good work, and good posts.

Given how public you are about your attitude towards DP, your attitude towards how he approached you and talked to you is to be commended.

I hope you got out of your conversation with him what you were after.

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Disagree with you Nightcrawler...strongly. I for one was interested to hear that DP had taken the time to call in respinse to a letter. Even if Ryan can't go into details, the fact that the coach made the effort to call says something to me.

It is information that is of interest to me, so thanks Ryan for your post...and well done!

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I demand 30 minutes with the MC too.

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Well done Ryan, great post...



Do you believe in your honest opinion that we will develope the team while making sure we will get a priority pick in the first round (for the last time) by not winning more than 4 games??


A must in my books to really fill out our list with TalenT.....

Thanks

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We have to show some improvement next year.

Assuming that Smorgon and Pagan have made these calls (and I have no reason to doubt the claims) then I think that they are setting a dangerous precedent and wasting valuable time.

Firstly, they are setting a dangerous precedent because it means there is more chance of people writing a letter and expecting a personal answer.

Secondly, while I appreciate the effort involved to make the calls, surely they realise that if one supporter is voicing these concerns, then (rightly or wrongly) other supporters have similar concerns. I would much prefer to see increased media work dealing with the specific concerns of these people but broadcast to the wider community. It's more proactive, demonstrates that the club is listening and hearing complaints and worries, and is a much more effective use of their time.

Ha Ha , this is very depressing. Have we lost our marbles or what. If you believe this post you lot need help. Have you guys totally lost it or what.

Lock it will you it is an insult to the posters here and we do not want people making complete idiots of themselves without their knowledge.

What's with the negativity?

Smorgon I don't care much for, and has the personality of a hessian sack, but Denis is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Ryan sent a letter to Denis, and it obviously spelt out a number of concerns which aren't uncommon among Carlton supporters. Denis felt that addressing that supporter directly was the best course of action, and a cordial and frank conversation was had.

While Denis possibly hasn't changed Ryan's mind, he obviously said some things in a way which impressed Ryan.

Credit where it's due, guys!

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That's pretty amusing coming from you

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Please explain

Just going by your track record in your thread where you had a go at pretty much anyone who even so much as asked where you got your info from. Make more sense now?

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