don't be a smart ass!

He did say he'd call me early December to make sure i renewed my membership! But i'm not holding my breath and i certainly am not gonna start crying if he doesn't. He's got better things to do with his time i'm sure.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
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Yeah, i see your point. I guess what i'm saying is that i hope he can proove wrong my suggestions that he cannot turn this team around and that to go forward we need somebody new.

But he's had time, your right, and he hasn't made the right decisions in the past but we're stuck with him now. I'm willing to let him start afresh in 07'...........but if we win less than 5 games next year or get another spoon.......................

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

me me me

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Round 8 wont tell you much mjonc.
If you look at our pattern over the past few years, the players come back refreshed and positive about the upcoming season.
We usually perform quite well early, in fact over the past 3 seasons our first 3 games each year have resulted in wins or close losses with a 46 point loss to Freo being our biggest loss over 20 points!

Unfortunately the hope and optimism dissipates by mid year when the players realise that the MC have no answers and training is a replica of the stuff thats failed the previous 5 years.

It's fantastic to hear that we finally have some variety and hopefully that optimism and positive thought carries the players further than past year.
The players are like everyone else, they want to be challenged and invigorated by their workplace. Unlike the rest of use, they are required to improve their abilities markedly to keep their job.
They would be as frustrated as ayone when they are'nt given that opportunity.

Lets hope the performance in the box is invigorated as much as training otherwise we'll still be fighting with our hands tied behind our backs.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

The thing with Pagan is after 2004 he was in a lose-lose situation. Had we won 10 games in 05 and 06, we would have had picks 9 and 7 respectively in both drafts. There is no doubt our future is going to be built however around Murphy, Gibbs and Kennedy as well as a few others. But if you take out Murphy, Gibbs and Kennedy our list suddenly looks alot weaker. The fact is we needed to bottom out again to gain some 'elite talent'. And now we have we can begin to be competitive again, knowing we have the kids in place to take us to the next level.

As a former Pagan supporter who just stared and wondered why in the past two years I two hope he is "transformed"


Or at least set things up for a smooth transition .... to ratts....

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well, i hope pagan proves me wrong too..

I always had a lot of faith in the guy, and in return he has given very little!

With better coaching we could have won close to 8 games this year! The self belief and confidence wasnt there when it was needed the most...

I hope Pagan proves us wrong..

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He'd better, his had more top picks over the past few years than any-one else. Imagine if we still dish up the same shIt next year.

I think that sometimes people expect miracles and think they know more than they actually do. They have selective memories and ignore certain aspects of peoples posts and it's all in the name of having a strong opinion on a subject to appear like they know what they are talking about.

I just hope we start winning again and I'd prefer it to be with Pagan because of all the "we did this together" romance. I'd like for his hard work to pay off for him.

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I agree with you completely.

If he can make the leap into the 21st century, win games, and turn us around I'd be the first to kiss his ass!! Not holding my breath though!

You are right.

So far Pagan has proved that we were all wrong in recruiting him as the messiah in the first place!

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Formerly: Ackland the Wonderkid / Army the Wonderkid / quivering mess / molsey / Tony Lynn Fan Club

Sorry Jim but a little clarification required here - do you mean you're not going to hold your breath while you kiss his ass? Interesting mental picture.

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"In better news for Blues fans, Jarrad Waite was not named on the club's injury list."

lol!!

I noted an example of the ineptitude and selfishness that has permeated through our footy club in todays Hun.
Barry Mitchell, who has been reappointed as the coach of the Bullants will have no involvement whatsoever with the senior group.
Apparently he is based in the administration area now to "ease tension and a possible conflict with Denis Pagan"!

According to Jim Wilson, "he is respected by the younger players" but he is being kept away because his relationship with Pagan has soured.

Can someone explain to me how a senior coach and the "reserves" coach can have no involvement with each other without it being detrimental to the team?
How can a "development coach" who is hailed by the young players as a great teacher have "virtually non existent" ties with the senior squad?

2 questions need to be asked.
Is Barry Mitchell the best person to develop our young players?

If the answer is yes, then why cant our senior coach grow up and act in the best interests of the club instead of compromising the development of our kids with his petty spats?

It's amazing at the moment, we have members of the board working in different directions and refusing to involve each other and members of the football department doing the same.
All in the name of selfishness and ego. And we wonder why our players act the same at contract time.

Circus.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I was under the impression that this wasn't entirely the case. The change was that Mitchell would be the senior coach of the Bullants and would have no match-day role with Carlton. As well as coaching the Bullants, he has taken a position in the football "specifically in the areas of player development and recruiting". So he'll be working with the kids, just the major change is no involvement on match-day with Carlton.

It doesn't matter time2004 - the thing is that if the development coach has no involvement with the senior squad, what does the Bullants coach have to work on if the senior player gets dropped?

Say Russell got dropped - how can Mitchell help him if when goes back to the Bullants he doesn't talk to Pagan or have any involvement on match days?

He's reliant on Russell telling him or watching the tape.

This is stupid.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

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It appears that is the fairy floss version we were presented with.
He'll be working with the kids, only when they're wearing red jumpers.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Yeah fair points, possibly being a little naive and looking at the situation as optimistically as possible.

I'd be interested in hearing what role (if any) Mitchell is having at our training sessions?

It’s another patch up attempt to pretend everything is fine, as any person can see its not.....

We need the club to move forward and that means both coaches either leave, or reconcile there differences so we can move forward.....

The club is not gaining anything trough the situation besides its just avoiding conflict. This just separates our development side to make it harder for our players to develop....

This is one of the stupidest moves the club could do!

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

Ratten, Hicky, Braddles, Beauy, Hulme, Corey, French, Ang, Allan, Murphy, Campo, etc...not to mention those he couldn't get rid of.

In Pago's defence, he did come up with some handy replacements...MIcky (the aging ape) Martyn, Laurie the Locker, Mott, etc.

Our list managements been based on who can get on with Pages and the myth that he can turn flower around....