Elliott refused to comment when contacted yesterday by The Age and would not respond to speculation that cardboard magnate Dick Pratt would fund a challenge to wipe out most of the Carlton board and pay out coach Denis Pagan.

seriously if these people think sacking the coaching is going to solve our on field problems they are sadly mistaken and not not the people I want running my club

Jim Wilson is writing the Herald Sun article remember...he has his own views on the board situation and decided to run with the Moulton / Harrison push - when he could have easily gone with the Tom Elliott story. That should tell you something right there.

What troubles me is that Wilson says

I don't believe that for a second. I can't see these two providing any more revenue to the club than the two who are leaving in Valmorbida and particularly Mathieson.

I don't believe Tom's surname would damage him greatly - there are still a lot of Carlton people who recognise the great things John Elliott did for Carlton and the bulk of those just want him to acknowledge that he was at fault. You certainly wouldn't get any argument from Tom Elliott about that.

It's a quandry. (Have to use the word QUANDRY on the Tuesday before Friday).

John Elliot rightfully wears a significant proportion of the blame for Carlton's demise and his return to the club as father of the president would be concerning...but from what I know of Tom, he is his own man, well-spoken, and articulate.

Considering our position, if Tom had the RIGHT backing, a SOLID plan communictaed to members and the media, he could be a tantilising and unifying choice.

He is an Elliot, John Elliot's son, a deeply Carlton dynasty...this would be likely to convince the old mob.

He is not John Elliot, he is Tom and he has a fresh plan based on his and the members intentions for the Blues winning premierships again...this may be enough to convince those wounded by his father's pestilance and desperate for positive change to run with him.

Oh quandry. Oh, go the mighty quandry.

It's only a Quandry if it doesn't come with guarenteed money.

I was thinking more of the plan and effect. If there's no money then we may as well be talking about Joffa becoming president.







Could that happen?

I have to say you are incorrect here. The rank and file members generally side with Caro re: Pagan and think he's getting stitched by the club.

Did I miss something?
Where did anyone say that sacking Pagan will solve all our on field problems?

AFAIC, its the first positive step in a mid term process.

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sacking pagan has been one of fraser brown's main plays, not to mention the board tried to sack him

why else would they push so hard to have pagan sacked?
because they believe pagan is the reason for our poor onfield performances.

sure pagan has some responsibility but not sole responsibility.

Deliciously ironic - and will piss off Demetrispew and Ron "Lazarus" Evans.

Externally they will have to bite their lips if Tom Elliott gets up.

Whats that proverb about punishing the son for the sins of his father.


Only problem is Demetrispew is a vindictive son of a bitch and will do his best to make life hard for Tom Elliott and Carlton if Tom gets in.


It is vital that Tom Elliott if he gets in - brings the cash with him so we can pay the AFL's filthy loan back and tell them to PIENE STO HAMOPISTO. - THATS GO AND GET FLOWERED IN ENGLISH.

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You're right - she's clutching at straws with the Pagan statements - but remember she's trying to be Dan Brown and piece everything together before the next chapter. Pagan isn't going anywhere until the end of May 2007 at the earliest.

Because he's a shit coach with no idea, maybe?????

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I must be mixing with the wrong rank and field members....most of the ones I talk to associate wooden spoons and lack of onfield success with Denis Pagan and want him out....they wouldnt know who Lorraine Diggins was for example.....

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I like it.

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dane's trolling again

So you want to retain him because he's only partially responsible?
It indicates how far we've slipped when we're happy to accept mediocrity.

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I'm sick of Pagan.
Imagine coming out in spite of the board to complain, ooh they wouldn't let me have ZANTUCK.... cry cry cry.
I know he was listening to Deano and me. And believe me, thats never good. Well at least listening to me.

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dane's trolling again

quana quana quandry!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'm tiring of this new saviour every two weeks crap.

Until someone acrually puts their hand up and gets us sorted out I won't be getting excited.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Well now's the time to awaken Big Kev from his permanent slumber - get excited Deano - tonights meeting might not be the Christmas Coup I had forecast but there is NO doubt that the current administration is shaking in its boots...Smorgons boys in Moulton and Harrison will not solve any problems - they won't inject any new money and we'll just keep dangling by the strings controlled the big puppeteer in the AFL.

The faction behind any move by Tom Elliott will be made clear closer to the appropriate time - after all - has any legitimate contender for the 2008 U.S presidency announced that they're actually running - NO. You have to :

a) make sure the numbers are there
b) make sure the money is there
c) make sure you time your run right - no point going too early and letting doubts creep in once the initial excitement is over. If you were on the board - when would you want to call the AGM - ASAP or on the eve of the footy season proper when the fans get a taste of the '07 Blues and like what they see?

This will be the real deal. I'm a betting man and I'm almost certain that both a) and b) have been put in place. Now - I'm excited.

Agree..Less talking and more action is required......I would equate our board challenges to sightings of Elvis.....not much substance to either.
Its time these wannabes put up and stop jerking the supporters/members around....
I am proposing we get that Fijian general(Barney Banana) to organise the coup......he might actually be able to get something happening rather than just talking about it...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen