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Bradley was a champion with exquisite skills who generally always delivered well to a team-mate further up the ground. Houlihan turns the ball over too much for my liking. He is just a good-ordinary player at the moment. However, that is better than most.


I'd say Houlihan has no more clangers per game than Bradley did but because more often than not he's deep in the backline his errors usually end in an opposition shot at goal which serves to highlight them.


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geez no comparrison between braddles and Houla .....

Braddles had better skill could run all match has leadership .. poise ..ect ummm they are not in the same league


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Comparing Houlihan to Bradley and saying he's had less clangers is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Bradley was an out and out champion who could play in the center as well do the Houlihan act of running into space when it's safe. Bradley like Diesel always ran as hard as fast as he could and this is one thing you can't say about Houlihan.Houlihan committed shocking errors for a player with supposedly brilliant skills. And he is one player that should be offered for trade before Lance and it was good enough for the Cats to offload Moloney.


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Nobody is saying that Houlihan is a better player than Bradley, people are saying that Bradley wasn't exactly the hardest, toughest player going around and he didn't cop the shit that Houlihan does. Obviously Braddles was better than Houlihan but Braddles made mistakes too. Houlihan has a lot of responsibility to set up play from the backline. Braddles got more of the footy in midfield where turnovers are still crucial but don't result in an opposition scoring opportunity as often as ones committed in the backline.

See I reckon Houlihan is one player we must keep. He has more ability than most. I also see the irony that in a thread which argues that we need more talent, we want to get rid of Houlihan. Houlihan for mine must be kept, his skills are exquisite going forward. He takes a few risks that sometimes don't come off and it costs you but when you're a playmaker you're going to make mistakes.

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Thanks Blues2005, finally someone who understands the point I'm trying to make.
Bradley was a better player than Houlihan, but was just as soft, and like Houla he didn't hit 100% of his passes. If Houlihan made his errors in the forward half instead of deep in defence I think the criticism of his disposal would be somewhat tempered.


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Bradley didn't have to play with this mob. :wink:


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Bradley didn't have to play with this mob. :wink:


Another fair point sadly.


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What is wrong with "this mob"????
They just need tweaking..... no swap cards or early picks needed here.

Guns as far as the eye can see......

Lets try and win 5 1/2 this year can we??????

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What is wrong with "this mob"????
They just need tweaking..... no swap cards or early picks needed here.

Guns as far as the eye can see......

Lets try and win 5 1/2 this year can we??????



Hahahahahaha lets try and win 5 and half ... dont worry Sinbad there still 2 games the guys will try and win ... The filth and Bumbers and we will only go for 5 1/2 win if we are clear of the next team


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Who in this thread is saying get rid of Houlihan? Please show me the quote because I can't find it.

Bradley was consistently one of our best players for 17 years. I don't know of any other player who can lay claim to that. He rarely had a bad day even in his later years.


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79Vintage wrote:
Sporn
Davies
Johnson
Scotland
Houlihan

5 players who are not up to AFL standard.


There ya go.


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No irony at all! Trade Houlihan for a low draft pick and we should recruit someone with talent and more importantly one with a heart. Stop kidding yourself, what team have I been watching over the past 30 years? Houlihan does have some skill however his turnovers are costly and he does not attack the football or his opponent hard enough as required by a back flanker. Just go back and watch our last game at Optus Oval to see how soft he really is.


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How about this? Only one club who has won priority picks has ever won a flag! How about that?!?!?!

How about it matters far more how the players are trained and coached than some weak-arse lets freaking tank it shit!

How about, I am sick of losing!

I am not used to this! I don't barrack for Footscray (which is what they should be called still) or St. Kilda...

We need to win more and we need to win next week!

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Wojee wrote:
79Vintage wrote:
Sporn
Davies
Johnson
Scotland
Houlihan

5 players who are not up to AFL standard.


There ya go.


Sorry I don't think vintage was saying delist them. He just said that they are not up to AFL standard. We have many others in our club that are not up to AFL standard, but we can't get rid of them all because you can't take the field with only 12 players.


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Wojee wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
Bradley was a champion with exquisite skills who generally always delivered well to a team-mate further up the ground. Houlihan turns the ball over too much for my liking. He is just a good-ordinary player at the moment. However, that is better than most.


I'd say Houlihan has no more clangers per game than Bradley did but because more often than not he's deep in the backline his errors usually end in an opposition shot at goal which serves to highlight them.


Made one bad error tonight which was costly but that was about it. Plenty of others made a lot more. And I can remember Bradley making the odd error too. No one's perfect. At least he's prepared to take the risk- so it doesn't always come off. We need more players taking risks. Made up for it with pass to Fev and goal himself anyway. Is certainly up to AFL standard- as skilled as anyone we have.


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Tonight I left 3/4 time and finally accepted we are not good enough...


I hope you kept walking, right out the arena, handed in your membership and just kept walking.

See we don't need fairweather supporters, its going to be a tough time. We need to stick together, support the players whetehr they're good enough or not. They put in everything they had last night, gave it their all.

They're not good enough....so you give up on them? Just want to see them when they win?

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ahh yes the 'I am a better supporter than you' thread - gee things must be going well.

just an Braddles being soft - crock of shite I am afraid. Okay he didn't crash like a J.Brown or a Picket but he never shirked and more importantly, and it is here that I think Houla could learn about toughness, braddles ran harder than any player i have seen, harder to get to the ball, harder to create space, harder twhen with the ball and in his later years, harder to get back to help out. that takes a huge amount of mental and physical toughness - Houla doesn't come close to that I am afraid. But then, from all I have seen, not many do.

now walker, well he just might, shit he ran and harassed and then ran off to create and, look oifthis kid was player with say meblirune, the media would be wetting themselves watching him, sadly in this team he does far too much on his pown, including as the prez pointed out, flying the flag.

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ahh yes the 'I am a better supporter than you' thread - gee things must be going well.


How does leaving at 3/4 time help anything?

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oh yes if he had have stayed we'd have won! :roll:

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Did we win because he walked out?

Do the players see supporters giving up on them leaving early? Probably not, but its not a great look.

I was sitting right behind the players bench and these guys slagged off all night, calling out to Shane Sullivan stuff like 'This is junior football Sullivan' and then there were two of them left at the end of the game...1 by 1 they started leaving 1/2 way through the last quarter, walking off shaking their head's.

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