I'd offer him a base wage of $0, and, with incentives, he could earn as much as $0.

Campo would get that offer as well, though slightly reduced from that.

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Saying Lance was "cheating" is some copout. He was doing what he has to do when placed on tall forwards, and he did it well. I don't see any problem with giving players credit for good performance. Lance had the same physical attributes and athleticism when he made all Australian forward and cleaned up in he AFL marking stats.

What has changed since then is significant ... loss of skilled players around him, loss of team and personal confidence, and a drop in personal discipline which at least this season has been improved. I think he has actually had a reasonable season. $300,000k is probably reasonable. The risks are whether we are able to improve on delivery (cos he needs reasonable delivery), and whether he can maintain and improve on his personal discilpline.

Lance wont play into his 30s with his body shape. I think another 3 years before the wear and tear gets to him.
We need a contested marking player. We need leaders around the club. We need players who will set the tone at training like Bradley and Stciks did. We need players who come back from the off season fit and in decent shape. We need players who play for the jumper and dot because they are looking for a big contract.

In short we dont need you Lance.

We want a first round pick and a Drum, Ryder, Kennedy type to go with our Murphy/Ellis at pick 1 and 3.

I think I'd go three feet high and rising.

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Trade him while he has currency.

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I think he is playing the Jason Cloke role circa 2002

As much as it pains me to say it, I reckon this is the path to take as well.

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Trade him for 2 draft picks in the top 20

The fact that he is smart enough to get away with playing 10m off his man only means the opposition weren't good enough to exploit his weaknesses as a defender.

Lance is having a good year. That's the point. I don't want to have to wait till the next time his contract is up for renewal for him to play close to his potential. People on this site would have taken a second rounder for him him last season we were that desperate. Because of his current form we'll get close to his value this year. The last four years say we should take it.

What are the chances Denis will have Whits play a hard tag on Tredrea this week????......

Doubt it!!!!

will be exposed.

Lance wo0nt be at the club next year and he is doing as much as he can to put food down his familys mouth at the moment.
Denis is just helping him by playing him as a sweeper...

He would be found out iof he had a real possie.

350k Mark????

Surely you jest!!!!

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Synbad, I'm pretty during our draw this year the Lance played on Tredrea after qrt time for the rest of the game and did a pretty good job. Kouta got towelled up playing on Tredrea in the first...

He did a great job because Tredrea didnt kick straight...

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He kicked 2 goals 5 that night and gave a few away on top.

what on top of Livo!! that's disgusting - those Port power blokes i tell ya! Could this explain lance's weight gain?

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Of course Whitnall will play on Tredrea this week. With Thornton out injured, we don't have anyone else. And of course last time we played Port
Lance did a fantastic job on Tredrea after he'd given Kouta an awful shellacking.
Yes, Lance could get exposed on the lead if Port's midfield gets on top but last time, when our midfield was competitive, Lance acquitted himself superbly in the one on one contests against Tredrea. Lance's game on Tredrea almost won us the game that night. Now according to mainstream opinion, Warren Tredrea is close to the best footballer in the league and Lance played on him in a way that few, if any key defenders in the league are capable of. Perhaps Tredrea should be traded for a speculative draft pick in a draft with no stand out key position players. After all, it seems that a team's best key position player is expendable.
It was also interesting watching Lance beat Matthew Pavlich in a number of one on one contests against Freo 2 weeks ago, when they were directly opposed in the last quarter. Is Pavlich over-rated or is it possible that Lance is a very good footballer and the only bloke at Carlton who can come close to competing with players like that ?
Maybe Freo should trade Pavlich for a speculative draft pick in a draft with possibly no key position players. Key position players, who needs 'em anyway ? I bet Fitzroy were glad they got rid of Alastair Lynch and Paul Roos because they were compensated with access to the best young players in the country.
So, what did happen to Fitzroy after they got rid of those over-rated key position players and replaced them with compensatory draft picks ?

Synbad, most of Tredrea's shots at goal happened when he played on Kouta.

We need him!!
We need experience players when our current kids have played about 100 games and that's the time when we are a premiership threat! We cannot just have a bunch of young players to win premierships, we need some experience/senior players in the team and Lance will be one of the senior players in a few years time.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 25976.html

I love Lance. I would pay him up to $450K. He should be our next captain. Take that you Lance-bashers.

I hope that we keep Lance unless we get offered a deal that we can't possibly refuse. But good KPP don't fall off trees and I would prefer to keep Lance - make no mistake he is a quality footballer. He will be part of the next successful Carlton side.

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Not on Sunday against Richmond. He was positioning himself 10m in front of his direct opponent, and relying on his ability to read and anticipate the play. That is not playing as a sweeper.

And Stepehen Reilly from theAge (and also otherw here) agrees that is what happened:


I hardly think it is necessary to make stuff up in order to get a point across. The point should stand on the evidence, not the fabrication.