Highest average possessions per game at Carlton this year.
Top 5 in kicks, handballs AND tackles.
Had 18 handballs against Adelaide (his career high)
8 tackles against Collingwood this year (another career high)
4 goals against Richmond this year (another career high)
12 inside 50 against Collingwood this year (another career high)
17 rebound 50s against Port this year (another career high)

As a matter of fact, since Stevens has been at Carlton, he has had career high stats in kicks, handballs, tackles, goals, frees for, contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s, rebound 50s, long kicks and bounces.

Runner up in the John Nicholls medal in 2004 besides missing the first 2 games with suspension.
Top 3 in Ports B&F twice, Michael Tuck medallist.
Top 10 in the AFL for centre bounce clearances.


If he's not one of our A graders, care to tell us who they are?

Here we go again

Sorry Ammo totally dissagree. Stevens big bad tagging group this year include Hodge Bell Coughlan twice Crawford Goodwin Carr Cross which is hardly an intimadating group of tagers. Then the run with group (who still try and get the footy) Peverill Lucuria Ling and then the tagging group of McDonald Baker Stenglein Ablett KCornes and the that big nasty TSelwood! Out of the taggers he would have only beaten McDonald when getting 10? disposals in Pagan called "junk time" after we came good in the last 1/4 against Melbourne is that really a win? He has been embarrased twice by Kane Cornes who I don't think holds at all when tagging. What Cornes does is stands infront opponent gets the footy first gives it off then gets back to his opponent he is the best at this going around the AFL. Stevens has let 9 opponents rack up 25 disposals or more in a game including Hodge with 34 Coughlan 38 Carr 32 Licuria 35 and my guess is 16 out of his 19 opponents would have been in the oppositions best players. In 10 games this year his opponent has had more of the ball if they were all taggers why are they getting more of it? Personally I would say Stevens has only really easily beaten 1 opponent this year and that was 2 weeks ago against Coughlan otherwise he has broken even or been easily beaten. Seems to me clubs either tag Stevens and they know he struggles or they go head to head because they know who plays on him will have a good game. For the last 10 weeks the excuse has been he must be injured or he was sick then he played 2 good games and then everyone says he looks fine now and then after another bad game the excuses start up for him again.

Look Stevens is a very good player and we need him up and firing but at the end of the day I don't think he is the A Grade player everyone thinks we were getting or think we have got. To me he is a very good 3rd midfielder at a club not the no.1 who really should play on a wing because of the way he plays and I've coverd that before. For a so called A grade player he has never made an All Australian team and won't again this year while being in his prime. When will the excuses stop for him because everyone else in this side has been smashed on here?

I acknowledge the fact that the umps dont pick up the unfair tactics In the end if Stevens cant get help then take matters into your own hands Greg Williiams style.

Hey beantown



Stevens needs to start throwing his weight around.That will stop the tagging.He might as well because he was pretty useless last week.Needs to do something

Highest average possessions per game at Carlton this year.
Top 5 in kicks, handballs AND tackles.
Had 18 handballs against Adelaide (his career high)
8 tackles against Collingwood this year (another career high)
4 goals against Richmond this year (another career high)
12 inside 50 against Collingwood this year (another career high)
17 rebound 50s against Port this year (another career high)

As a matter of fact, since Stevens has been at Carlton, he has had career high stats in kicks, handballs, tackles, goals, frees for, contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s, rebound 50s, long kicks and bounces.

Runner up in the John Nicholls medal in 2004 besides missing the first 2 games with suspension.
Top 3 in Ports B&F twice, Michael Tuck medallist.
Top 10 in the AFL for centre bounce clearances.


If he's not one of our A graders, care to tell us who they are?

Great work BV.

Scottopee would be advised to read your post...

Stevens is our ONLY A grade player in my opinion.....

scotto I do watch the games....

No point getting nasty, I was just pointing out that his return to the club this year (as BV stats show) has been of 'A" grade material. I agree that he isn't A Grade material 100% of time but name me one midfielder who is?

If you look at my previous post on this topic, you will also see that I have raised some thoughts of my own as to why I think Stevos output has been limited at times.

Do you not agree that Stevo has had to cover for other unaccountable players? - This would give some light on why he supposedly breaks even in most games with opponents. He has been at times doing the job of ttwo or more players!

Do you not agree that he has not had great support from our other 'experienced' midfielders?

Do you not agree that he has had to play out of his natural role, to cover holes in our defence?

As I said before when he has the support and can play his natural game, ala the game against richmond, you see the potentcy of Stevens. If that wasn't an A grade game from and A grade player, then I don't know what is....

http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_player_compare?tid1=4&pid1=133&tid2=19&pid2=109

http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_play ... le?pid=133

NO I DO NOT AGREE HE HAS TO COVER FOR OTHERS WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! Simply because he doesn't. He doesn't cover his own man without some bullshit excuse he has got to cover others. Watch him trail behind his opponent (non tagger) or run forward hoping we get first possesion. Maybe its the others that you say are unacountable actually have to cover Stevens man because Stevens does not and thats the reasons they are unacountable you can spin it anyway you like.

No I do not agree he has to play out of his natural position in defence because he doesn't! He takes kick ins thats not playing in defence. I'd personally say by taking the kick ins he would get 5-10 cheap disposals a game getting handball receives in the backline. How many passes do you remember him hitting Fev on the chest this year? I'd say Houlihan would have double and he plays HB.

A GRADERS get the job done without excuses they just do it! People like yourself continue to make excuses for Stevens that he needs this and that but hang shit on others for the exact same thing when maybe they also need this and that to play well. The great players do it themselves not rely on everything going right to be great! Do you understand?

Will he be All Australian?

Will he win the B&F?

Will he be in the top 50 players list from any media people

and is he and has he lived up to the player you thought we were getting without excuses?

apparently its in Stevo's contract that in the second year he help us to some early picks (there are bonuses involved) - its called the playing possum clause (just before the santy clause when we get the picks and order is restored).

Scottopee,

Fair points all of them although I think you may find that Kane Cornes does hold and on the weekend was standing behind Stevens with his arms around him at the centre bounce. There were a couple of arms thrown back a bit of jumper punching and a bit of wrestling but the umpires chose to ignore it so it continued.