Synbad - there is nothing you could do to change last nights result. Sure Collingwood had half a seconds team in last night.........it was difficult for us to drop this game. In any case the Pies still had Wakelin, Presti, Clement, Buckley, Burns, Licuria, Lockyer, Woewodin, Holland in to form the nucleus of a reasonable team

You did not answer my question. A few weeks ago you said the club and Pagan knew where we are at and knew what to do. Now you are saying that they are fools. What has changed?

And again, what would YOU have done to make sure we loose the game and mind you - you have to come up with something better then putting Campo into the midfield. And you need to come up with soemthing that is realistic and which would not lead the AFL to prosceute the club again.

What starts to piss me off is that you do not acknowledge nearly EVERYBODY here does know we need more talent - so stop pretending people don't. IMO there was no way we could avoid winning this game without creating other (maybe bigger) problems. So while I have very mixed feelings about the win - I find it unfair blaming club and coach.

I think regardless of how good or bad we played, i Swtiched off my TV at Quarter time, cuase it was very very abvious that the Pies were Tanking the game big timeeeeee......

they could have beaten us easily..... 3 shots at goal from 30m Out from 3 players and they all miss....... ya right.... just look at their body language and tell me that wasnt tanking??

Interesting concept, so what your saying it that tanking will give us draft picks that will get us out of the shit SOONER than if we don't. But those who advocate playing to win want instant gratification. Hmmmm

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Nobody is less of a supporter for there views its a difference in the vision
There are some who look to win for the hope of seeing some positives come out even if it is short term. There are others who look at the longterm vision some even more long term. THe best thing for the Blues is took look Longterm and yes i belive loosing to the Pies would have been better for us to rebuild for 2006.. But having said that the Pies where much more determined to loose this game and i even if i felt the Blues should have lost i wouldnt advocate the same tactics of resting even semi uninjured players or even to not use good players in the tight position.. Even if we tried to loos last nite i dont think we would have been able to succeed. Lets hope the Bombers try next week.

Anyway what ever the outvome i hope wew do get into PP teritory this year..

Maybe the Hawks will win this game stranger things have happened maybe some of there players have defied the match commitee and want to off the Bottom of the ladder. Seems to me the only team which are really going the Ultra Tank is the Pies

and im the stupid one?

gee .. ive done well for myself.

Im the new coach of England cricket team, im dumb and i have a low iq.

gee - guess what i think is stupid.

funnily enough - not giving up on England and supportering my team regardless, even while i was coping a barrage from everyone sees me now on the verge of winnings it second test with alot of people eating humble pie.

thats an interesting concept.

There are those that try regardless of the odds they face in front of them

and there are those that will give up in the first sign of doubt.

Guess i am the internal optomist, but gee, i would far prefer to be that to ever think along the lines of BlueChucky - Synbad and co.

ive go toe to toe with alot of you guys over the last year or so - being it in regards to the OO debate and now the tanking debate, but know its the club that is short sighted in wanting to win games?

you guys need a serious reality check and understand that the 1st, PP or any other pick doesnt mean anything. The player could turn into a star or he could turn into a dud. You are just as likely to get a champion from a 15th pick as you are the 1st pick.

As it is, it looks like the fabled Marc Murphy is going to go to Brisbane anyways.

So are you guys heading to the rialto win lose or draw against the bombers now that the messiah isnt coming to the club?

As for the eternal debate.

Supporters are those that stick through it - through think and thin regardless of win, lose or draw.

Anything less and you arent a supporter. end of story.

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Prez,

Do you know what Pick 1 in the PSD means?

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Sorry mate!!!
The club knows where we are at.. but doesnt have the balls to do what it takes.
If the club wins next week .. the 'eunuch' mentality is proven.

Paagan even proved he knows where were at when he lamented at the lack of talent and the early picks that were taken away.
Collo said something about the list being full of non A graders down to z graders.
Are you going to deny that the two men in charge of our list have not criticised our playing list???
If they have and are unwilling to do anything about it.. theyre more interested in themselves than the club.

Personally i dont think it will come to that.
Well i hope to god it wont.

Next week is a game of chicken.
If any club thought they would rather come second last but gain the picks it might not happen.
For us it definitely wont happen.
Its wooden spoon and pick one or a banana.

The ball is in the clubs court.
It should never have come to this just to save face of not winning the spoon.
Imagine winning the spoon but you lose a pick???

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"accidentally" have a 19th man on the field, and then an "anonymous" caller could have tipped off the AFL

thats perfect!!!

50 metre penalties at every chance. Abuse the crap out of umpires. Hands all over Lloyd at every opportunity... then, when he dives, defenders who say "yeah, nah, I pushed him, thats why he hit the deck like that... my bad".

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I work on the 9th floor in the building next to the rialto. Be sure to give me a wave on your way down won't you.

Yes youre incredibly non intelligent. (Notice how i didnt call you stupid?)
Supporters are those who stick with it?
Stick with what??? The boards decision to move to a bigger stadium???

I didnt see you supporting the club over that.. unintelligent one.

See youre a hypocrite!!!!

So dont talk about supporting because BlueChucky did support a cause for the club in a major way. He actually invested money out of his own pocket to help the club moving forwards when he had to.. (No were not talking membership alone, thats too easy)

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Drop Thornton next week.

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we couldnt loose even if we wanted to last nite was quite clear that a club (Pies) did everything in there power to loose the game and anyone who thinks what a great effort we did in achieving result again remember what team the Pies fielded. ALso rem that with the fact now they will pick us some good talent 2 picks in the top 5-6 adding to when not injured is a half decent list.

Anyway i will always back this year to really rebuild and relaunch in 2006
I havnt forgotten how we have played for 90% of the season.
I havnt forgotten some of the most pathetic displays we put on during the season.

On this Synbad is correct at 70 Odd % and loosing 13 games on the trot is a real indicator on how the Club has been travelling a couple of junk time wins aginst ineffective opposition or a team blatently doing all it can to loose is not something to jump for joy and say everything is now okay.

im the coach of the england cricket team
i have a low iq
i am un intelligent

and now

im a hypocrite.

keep it up synbad.

i couldnt give a stuff what bluechucky has or hasnt done, nor could i give a stuff of what you think anymore.

ive always formed my own opinons but even if i disagree with what the club has done or is doing - ive always supported what they are doing.

might want to try that sometime.

support the club all the time.

im still amazed that you guys are now trying to suggest that board arent doing their job by wanting the club to win games.

indeed if they where trying to lose - they wouldnt be doing their job and i would be calling for their heads.

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yeah but unintelligent one you still said Blue Chucky is not a true supporter even though you b elieve everyone has the right to form their own opinions.

So that just goes to prove what i said is true and its not an opinion....

Their job isnt to win one game of football PREZ.. their job is to get the club to a level where it will be in a position to challenge for a flag in the next few years.

.. whats the point of calling for their heads if you win a game but you cant build a list???

Oh thats right!!.. youre unintelligent.......

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Anyone who wants Carlton to lose is not supporting Carlton. That is fact.

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Is that because we are realists and we understand how bad our list is at the moment?

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Anyone who idolises Wrestling cannot be taken seriously... thats a fact!!!

Studies have shown this...

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PJ how many of our players have you defended against me?
I know how bad we are.

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