Then how come you think Goddard should have been better in the backline when he has never played on a KPP player like McPharlin before??

Id just shoooosh about this if i were you cos im hearing digging noises..

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I think he's just not very good in any position, not just back, against McPharlin, or whoever.

And you should know, to get yourself out of a hole - DIG UP!

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Using Livo as a counterpoint to Goddard is interesting.

Players develop at different rates and the quality of the coaching they receive has to have a massive bearing on that (otherwise good coaches wouldn't command good dollars).

I'm convinced Livo (and all other high draft picks) should be given four years to show that they have what it takes to make it as a footballer. Very few players are the finished product at 20. Chris Judd is exceptional because he's the exception. If we hadn't been so bereft of tall defenders I would have delisted Livo at the end of this year and I think the club's probably of the same belief which is why they only renewed his contract for one year. It doesn't make the decision to keep him for those four years wrong. It means we're giving our younger players a chance to develop. Some will make it and some won't. I'm glad the club appears to take this view (unlike Collingwood re Braden Shaw).

At 18 you use a high pick because he's shown great talent. By 22 you can generally tell if a player's going to be worth your investment.

At 19, 20, 21 however I think it's best to suspend judgement. Goddard's in that bracket now. Luke Hodge was "a dud" according to many only 12-18 months ago. Is he "a dud" now?

Goddard deserves the same chance to prove he's going to be a great footballer as any other player regardless of his draft position. At the moment it looks like he might not be the complete player at times. Wow - what a surprise. He's 20.

Give him a couple of years good tuition and find him a position where he's comfortable and I think we'll see what he could be.

Excellent points, GWS. I think the most telling bit is the bit you and I definitely agree on "A couple of years of good tuition"

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Kouta was about 21-22 back in 94 when he really started to come on, same age as Waite this year.

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And I remember people talking about him not long before that as "a great athlete but never going to make it as a footballer".

Ater the 94 finals I would have axed Ratten, lucky Parko knew better.

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Me too...

Only difference is Goddard has good disposal. In the awareness stakes though it's almost a dead-heat.

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Well, with two picks we could take a Goddard and a Livo. My point is, we still aren't guaranteed a superstar and it takes a lot more than a couple of early draft picks to rebuild. The guy we take with pick 5 or whatever we end up with could quite likely end up being just as good as, or better than, the players taken earlier.

I don't think it is as black and white as people see it - of course the best way to get more talent on your list is through the draft, but there are so many variables I don't believe it is worth another wooden spoon.

I wonder how many of you ever get along to the TAC......
Some of the stuff people think are outageous and downright ignorant.

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why don't we have a fourm for all those who get along to TAC and then a forum for those that don't and a forum for those who live interstate and a forum for....

ignorance is a terrible thing

being omniprescient is the way to go.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

nah sorry dannyboy but you do go to exams being prepared dont you???

Otherwise you fail???

Unless you just have to write a poem ... or as Paul McCartney did.. 'love songs'.. of course ..whats wrong with silly love songs????

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If a bunch of guys sat around 20 years ago talking at length about watching a group of sweaty muscly 16 year old boys the cops would have been called, now no-one bats an eyelid.

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Some people would have waited for the internet so they can check on their statistics...
...... they would have to wait a further 10 years ....then they would have some kind of meaningfulness in their lives. (twenty years ago).. it was toy soldiers before that....

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Oh here we go, the old got to watch TAC and talk to scouts to know anything about football.

You're so obsessed with the TAC and excited about drafting kids and which kids should we draft that you've forgotten what the game is all about.

When in this thread did anyone mention the TAC, depth of the draft, any kid likely to be drafted this season?

I saw a discussion comparing Livo to Goddard and touched on guys 22-24 and how much time we give them....nothing about anyone in this year's draft.

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Brad, collect your dunce cap and join the rest of us in the stupid corner.

Synbad is the all-seeing, all-knowing oracle of what's good for you: From your footy club through to your life.

Synbad, has that life of yours which you ordered been delivered yet?

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When people think were going to pluck the next Jesaulenko out of our arses they are just that.. ignorant.!!!

and a horse is a horse ofcourse...except when its a mutant and a mule..

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How about using your knowledge gained watching TAC and talking to scout's and telling us something useful like if there are any potential Jeeza's in this year's draft.

We can all sit back and look over the history and tell each other yes Judd was drafted at #3, Fischer was drafted in the 70's.

You have a special gift to provide something useful and actually us about the people in the draft.

Head over to TalkingRecruitment and tell us who the Top 10 prospects are this year and a brief description of their potential and style of play. I wouldn't have a clue.

Tell us who we should draft under each scenario, Picks 1 & 2, 2 & 4, 5.

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Why would he do that Brad?

Synbad would be better off turning every thread into his priority pick wheelbarrow that he's been pushing since about round six.

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