Interesting quote by Pagan.

"We've had talks, Brendan and I, and we don't agree on the principles of football. We'll have another talk this week and just let it go at that," the Blues coach said

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 53034.html

I'd reckon he's in for a long summer getting his arse kicked and his mind knocked into shape.

My first thought was that Pagan put him on Lloyd to see what reward hard work brings, second efforts, team play etc. He was pathetic and injury is not an excuse if he is selected.

I like him, but he's got to bridge the gap between his good and bad - cos next year won't be much better.

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Fevola = Warwick Capper

Both huge amounts of class but peas for brains . They need players around them to tell them what to do

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Actually, I don't agree with that, it just football double speak. If you deliberately play players who are significantly affected by injury, as Fev is, then you have to be prepared to suffer some consequences. That is a football department decision, as they must be clearly aware of how significant his injury is. And body language aside, it has been very clear that he has been carrying a signifcant groin injury for some time.

However, what he Fev must still take responsibility for is his body language and approach to dealing with his injuury, which is probably what Pagan is on about and possibly why they have continued to play him. He needs mental toughening.

Groin injury or not, once you are out on the field then you are fit to play. If you are not fit enough to play then get a good doctor who will properly diagnose you and give you the correct remedy. Playing on manfully will not fix your problem, do you or your team's confidence any good or endear you to the supporters.

When Fev is hot he is very hot, when he is not he is very cold. I just don't like the contrast. I would prefer someone less flashy, but one who puts in every week.

If it were me Fev would be the first player that I would put on the trade table. I have had enough of his excuses.

By the way, I have had a groin problem for the past two years and have had it recently diagnosed as the early signs of a stress fracture in the hip. The only solution to this problem is rest. I am not saying Fev has the same problem, but why is he playing on if it is not right? Stupid, stupid, stupid all around.

The more I think about it the more I believe Speakers is right. Dennis is pushing Fev to play on through the pain and still give his all. It's about attitude and persistence and perhaps the coach thinks that there is more to be gained long term through playing on under a cloud. The end result being we get a better and more rounded player who will persist even when times and things get tough.

My concern really was more about list management and whether or not the MC should have bitten the bullet with about 8 rounds to go and started booking players in for surgery and putting them on the Long Term Injury List so we could give a couple of the rookies a taste. As Frank posted the Pies have been laying low to get the priority pick for the last few weeks and testing all of their rookies out. If you have a cold at Carringbush they book you in for surgery and just give the knees a clean out in preparation for next year.

Fevola running out of chances
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

Well it seems that respected journalist Mike Sheahan thinks there is a problem.



I'd certainly prefer it Fev got his head right and played some consistent and solid footy to put an end to this sort of speculation. He can be a very good footballer when he wants to.

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Yes he can, all he has to do is walk up to them and lay the boot in, then walk to the next one and do the same, I reckon he could do more than 40 in an afternoon.

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When things aren't going his way his body language is terrible.

Really struggles to work his way into a game if things don't go his way from the outset.

Thought he was great against the Hawks after his implosion against the Saints. Tackled, Harassed, Chased, etc. Needs to be like that every game. Not just when it suits him.

Injury is not excuse for his attitude on the field.

He is (IMO) the most talented player on our list and he must be frustrated with the supply that he receives. That’s no excuse however and his attitude has to improve.

(Why do we give some players the benefit? Ie: Fevola and Thornton with injury. While with others like Campo, Stevens, etc its ok to stick the boots in? Interview after Interview Pagan always praises the leadership group and Fevola is the only one he has made comment on. Is he on a different page to us?

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Working alone. At the coalface. Scott's gone for lunch! Said he would be back in 30 mins.

Pagan never bags out his players in public - he does it behind closed doors.

Mike Sheahan's article was the thing for us IMO. We can drop him and not be accused of tanking.

Having said that, making him mentally tougher might be a plan - however, surely, the doctors would have said that there would be no long-term damage if he continued to play.

Or it might be Pagan subtly tanking again, knowing that defenders would run off Fev etc etc

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He is a matchwinner and if we are going anywhere then Fev has to be a 70+ goal kicker every season....he appears injured to me and cant kick through the ball properly...needs resting both body wise and mentally.
Sure his body language is poor but it seems like pure frustration much like many of the posters on this site..cant believe some want to trade the only matchwinner we have...how hard is it to find a decent fullforward?
Fev wont ever be consistent like a Barry Hall say who is more of a robotic type player..Fev is the emotional type who will be up and down but who could win a GF off his own boot and thats why I would be keeping him on the list...

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When you are injured and your teams midfield is getting flogged each week it is very tough for a forward to have an impact on a match.

Just look at the performances of Lloyd and Tarrant this year as opposed to a couple of years ago when they were playing in a strong side and weren't carrying injuries (Lloyd was having trouble with his broken arm earlier in the season).

The minute we start to see Fevola's deficiencies in a game is the moment where there is great concern.

He simply cannot be too heavily replied upon, because as we have seen, if things don't start going his way, he doesn't possess the strength in character to overcome these hurdles on the field.

Looking back at the Wizzer Cup, he dominated when he was given free reign and also because of the dominance of Whitnall up forward.

He is an opposition coaches delight when the team aint going well. They know that at no stage will they fear that Fev will explode and create havoc when his team is down and lift his team. Great forwards have that ability.

For Fev, he needs to work on controling his aggression and reproduce that into putting fear into opposition players, so that they worry "Shit, watch out for the Fev"...

Fevola is a loose cannon, and as soon as he learns to overcome that, the better he will reward the footy club.

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LEAVE FEV ALONE, all you guys want to do is give him shit, tell what did he do wrong on saturday, i saw the game and i thought he did well on lloyd, kept him to 2 goals, he is injured with a severe groin injury and denis doesn't want to play him but he insisits because he wants to play and play of the club which he loves. Give him a break, Kouta had a shit game on sunday with 7 touches but we cant touch kouta, Stevo had a shit game, again can't touch stevo, i love stevo and kouta but do you see what i am saying hate the way you guys bag Fev who (if you like it or not) is a best player.

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"I can't wait to win a premiership with this club" - Fev

Could you be a little biased?

Its not his form people are attacking, its his attitude and the coach he gets along so well with is questioning that.

Leaning on the fence during a game is not a good look.

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Agree with the Herald Sun article today, disgrace that we are still playing him injured.

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Time to go: Smorgon, Pagan

Surely you're kidding...Not Injured?? Oh, he's injured...unless he likes needles ...

Who are you talking to?

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Time to go: Smorgon, Pagan