Not advocating that we cut the kids - we should keep betts waite walker thorton simpson carrazzo bentick fisher and bryan amd deluca
Obviously we need to keep Setanta hartlett and russell
Always been a huge fan of fev and people will tell you when Brittain was going to sack him 3 years ago I was almost a lone voice saying we should keep him- I still think we should keep houlihan
By cutting deep I mean looking at all if not most of the recycled players on our list ie bannister clarke bowyer morrell johnson mcgrath
I have been a big supporter of the class of 2000 but really after 5 years are sporn and wiggins ecer going to get more than 6-10 possessions a game- livo is also hanging by a thread but will be there next year because we have no key defenders and whitnall is effectively taking his spot.
Is norman interested in playing for carlton
Do we persist with prenda another I have stoutly defended.

Well they just provedd theyre not good enough... so the people who said theyre not good enough were right.
Andain.. you and a few others have a very simplistic view of the world..

You cant have no leadership group.. have limited early picks..topped up with rejects from other clubs and late picks and expect to be competitive in the most competitive PROFESSIONAL sport in the country...
It really is just ludicrous that people like you actually believe that.
Check out what we lost on Black Friday.. how we used the picks before BLACK FRIDAY..and what we have playing for us....

compare to any other list and youll find that we probably should be getting spanked like that EVERY week...

Cant you people open your eyes ???

Now we have talked our players into being shit???

And Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh thinks its our fault we lost???

The bottom line is were shit!!!!!!... nothings going to change that....

We have Blue Marks intellectual exercise.. jarusas stats.. verbs nothingness.. PREZ and his stupidity.. Blues Back 2003 2004 2005 2006 .. etc..

You can all say whatever you like.... but we dont have the talent to be a competitive outfit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The club needs help to be competitive.!!!!

Were the Bears of this decade.....

No matter what you think thems the facts!!!!!!

you dont have a percentage of 70 for four years if you have a telented list no matter how many games you get into them....

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It's pretty safe to say that any experienced players currently in the twos, and one or two in the seniors, have a huge question mark over there heads. Bannister, Clarke, Bowyer and Norman are gone without a doubt. After that you've got players like Sporn, Wiggins, Morrell, McGrath, Prendergast, Johnson who are not going to win us premierships and will be gone if not this season then next season. The only thing that will save them in the short term is how many senior players (like Lappin, Campo, Whitnall, Houlihan, ect) are traded.

But we all know this, this isn't new exciting knowledge only just realised by our loss to Essendon*. We suck and our list sucks. There's no point going on and on about it, and there's definately no point in going overboard, like some seem to be doing, calling for the heads of key players in a state of panic as if all of this was so unexpected. It needs to be done and it will be done. Let's start thinking practically about the future rather than panic about the present.

Oh and I apologise if I seem to be overly agressive towards you frank, but this is been a gripe that's been brewing for quite a while. I'm not really targeting you or anything.


No worries

I wonder what Rambo Stallone thinks

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You can just smell that fresh Carlton arrogance coming back into the air

Yep, Adam Bentick (20) after his 13 game and at least one BOG has just proved he's not up to it.
Kade Simpson (21) after his 20th game and after having two great months of class football has just proven in one game that he's not up to it.
Jarrad Waite (22) who's kicked 36 goals this year from a half forward flank in a spoon winning side with very little supply has proven in his 49th game that he's not up to it.
Andrew Carrazzo (21) after his 21st game of footy, after his first full season of AFL footy, after being one of our shining lights in an otherwise bleak year has just proven in one game that he's not up to it.
Eddie Betts in his 18th game, in his first season of AFL footy, kicking 19 goals at the age of 18 has just proven he's not up to it.
Brad Fisher (21) who burst back on the scene after recovering from a serious injury that kept him our for nearly a year and has played only 37 games has just proven he's not up to it.
Chris Bryan (23), a ruckman in his 11th game of AFL footy has just proven he's not up to it.

And finally all the kids we've got on out list who are learning the ropes and dominating at the VFL level. Well after todays game there just not up to it either.

You heard it here first. Synbad has just declared that all these players have proven that they are just not up to it. It's all over people, Synbad says.

But Andain.... thats not enough!!!!!

Thats why were last!!!
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Cos we dont have enough.....

What you dont get is the other clubs have all that and more....
Bentick isnt a Hodge.
Waite isnt a Jonathon Brown.
Carrrazzo isnt a Judd.
Fisher isnt a Reiwoldt.
Betts isnt a Ball...
Bryan isnt a Kosi...
Simpson isnt a Cooney or a Griffen...


Theyre all handy types that if you dont find yourself elite players they wont progress because they will have to play on the likes of the second list elite kids... which means they will be beaten.

But if you do find yourself a Kosi/ Reiwoldt, Ball, Judd or two those kids wont have to play on the absolute best of the competition week in week out and they will be able to flourish....

Like i said youre dismissed as being too simplistic.

The more GUN kids you have in your side the more the others can flourish ...

The less real elite kids and players you have the more your good kids are exposed to the acid test each week...

So far theyre not really coping are they????

So howabout adding to them with more.. but even better.
As for Walker???

Youre not serious are you???
You dont really think he will just star all by himself and singlehandedly turn this club around 2 years in.

Ive heard of ignorant football supporters but youyre the star on the very top of the Xmas tree when it comes to ignorant football supporters.

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Geez Andain

Hodge plays for Hawthorn
Brown for Brisbane
Judd for West Coast
Riewoldt and Ball for StKilda
Kosi is always injured
Cooney and Griffen are at the Bulldogs

C'mon...!! Surely you've heard of that "super-team" Hawbriwesstkinjdogs?

Ingnorance!

LOL I thought the exact same thing.


What exactly are you arguing here Synbad? I'm actually curious because you seem to still be arguing the positives and negatives of tanking when that's bascially a null and void point at this time. We'll be getting the top picks and we have no say otherwise.

My problem with what your saying is that your painting a much bleaker picture then really exists. In your attempt to throw the bathwater out as quickly as possible your throwing the baby against the wall and stamping on it's skull. It's not that bad, we do have young players coming up that do have talent and will be up to it in the future. Sure we deifinately need some help in the form of lower draft picks, and we'll get that help, but they won't be here to replace the kids we've already got, but will to add to them.

Oh and btw, Murphy is no Judd, is no Ball, is no Hodge, is no Riewoldt, is no Kosi. If you believe otherwise I pity the poor kid.

I think our kids are actually pretty reasonable. We dont have a glut of 25 year old ++ experienced quality players still performing.
Like the Roos with Grant, Simpson, Harvey, Archer, Colbert and others who are still in there top 10 players.

So we are poor but we dont have a lot of quality and experience to lose over the next few years, other than Kouta.
The rest are not up to it anymore or no great loss.
We add a couple of really top quality kids this year in the draft and hope to trade and recruit a couple of decent experienced players then we will be okay.
We could improve by a lot ans still be poor though. Having a percentage of 70 is a good indication of how far off the pace we are.

Tell me about Murphy...

What do you know about Murphy...what foot does he kick with?
Whats his pace like?
Has he captained succesfully?(Potential future leader perhaps or are we banking on Carazzo?)

And verbs???
Stkilda DO have Ball Kosi Dal Santo McGuire and Riewoldt.
Hawthorn DO have Hodge Franklin Mitchell and Roughead..........
Wheres our Voss Black Arkemanis Power Michael Brown ???... you need a few players like these to win a flag.. we dont have them do we???... how do you get them???

Oh you mean Carrazzo and Bentick???

wee i hate really pulling you up for being a fool!!!!!.. but can i help it???

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How do you get them? Is this Comedy Inc?

Voss = zone
Black = Pick 31
Akermanis = zone
Power = pick 5
Michael = Rookie
Brown = Pick 30

It is COMEDY INC!!!

I love a laugh.

Dal Santo was pick 12, McGuire was a second round pick, and Mitchell was a 30+ pick. Kosi is injuried all the time, and Riewoldt can't kick straight. Hodge has a limited impact on a game relative to the amount of possessions he picks up. Franklin and Roughhead have done absolutely nothing up to this point in time.

Including these with verbs list of Brisbane your hardly backing up your arguments.

Murphy kicks with his right foot. He's pretty quick but not lightning. He's lately been having pletny of high possesion games without having a massive impact on the game. He's also very fairly small and will take a few years before he can consistently play and have an impact on senior footy.

Yes but we dont have zones and we dont have those players but we need those players where do we get them????... or players of that cataguory verbs???...

Suyggest a player thats going to be as good as any of those players after the top 5 right now.. or even remotely close...

then tell me where the 3 players we have that win 3 brownlows are???

it doesnt matter how Brisbane got them.. they have them.. im asking you where we will find them for us??

See how dumb you sound?????

Just cos Brisbane got Arkemanis and Voss in the Qld zone and Brown as a father son.., and Lappin with whatever pick they used.. and Michael in a trade and Power with a pick 6.. doesnt mean we have zones.. or fater sons as good as Brown nor will we get a trade from Collingwood as good as Michael etc.....


All we can do is give purselves the best opportunity we can to get the best possible players we can...

See im convinced the years of living under your doona has deeply effected you..

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Yes Dal Santo was a pick 13 not a 12.. and McGuire was a pick 20.. but what happend to our picks from that draft???Hint : Corey and Justin ..
And again those players only compliment the other players...the early picks.. and the recruits compliment them.. (Hammill Voss Gehrig) and they compliment the Robert Harvey...

But by pointing at McGuire who is not the main man... does not mean were going to find a McGuire.. we could have had McGuire but we traded those picks away... which now means were a long long way behind cos you have to add the draft penalties too...


So thats why we need early picks and the Carrazzos arent enough...

PS Murphy is playing injured....

I know cos i have seen his last 2 home games...

PS Murphy will play AFL next year an dis no smaller than Cousins who he actually plays like.. and taller than Crawford and especially Betts who you had losted as one of the future guns...

So whats your point??
Do i think he will win the GF for us next year????....

Errrrrrrrrrrrrr No!!!!....

hes another in the bank for the future ... and with enough of those were getting somewhere...

Those meaning players that are the best poissible draftees from this year.

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God! I haven't laughed this much in weeks!

Its what youre sniffing under there verbs... take a breather will you...

Back to the topic...

Where is our zone???

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Verbs is right, you are funny

Do you see us arguing that we should trade our low picks? Where did that come from?

BTW, how often is the All-Australian CHB not the main man?

Hey verbs...!!! we need a Voss (recruit him from http://www.comedyinc.com.au) and a Akremashinaiuswho can also be recruited from http://www.comedyinc.com.au!!

Hohohoho...Sunday Comedy Central Classics!! (for Fox subscribers only )

Totally disgusting performance,they played like they had a hard night with the vasoline, if there isn't a clean out it obvious the team has been tanking all year. I'm talking about at least 12 players not just the standard 5 or 6.

Clarke,Bannister,Norman,Bowyer are gone delisted everyone knows that

prendergast,Wiggins,Sporn and possible Houlihan will be traded as all have been in the clup for over half a decade.

Lappin will be uncontracted and not picked up by us because he thinks he needs a 3 year contract and should be lucky to have 1 year for the moment.

Morrell and Mcgrath could be playing the last game next week, dont see any of these 2 guys improving in years to come.

Brett Johnson could be picked up by another club but we have enough of these players.

Chambers, French, longmuir, Davies, Livingston will survive another year as Chambers and longmuir have 2 year contracts i think but i doubt will survive the year after. French is coming to his end but still needed untill we get someone. Livingston has 1 more year but is really a concern if he gets beaten by VFL players at Full Back, move him up forward i suggest and Davies still young and has slighty improve and is killing them in the VFL just needs more time in the middle in the AFL like Simpson and Bentick and works great along side them.

Whitnall will stay as he is keen to stay here but i would trade him if we got a round 1 pick or a good tall defender.

Camporeale will give in on his contract and stay

Fevola will stay after his contract that shouldn't have been renewed for the amount and years.

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