At least you are putting something on the table for them to sign.
$$$$ is a personall belief and some rate others higher than others, I don't have a problem with that. My issue is the way we are treating them regarding these negotiations. I really felt for Matty this morning. He sounded guttered.

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kindest regards tommi

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Surrey.. wake up!!!!

There was something on the table for them to sign.. they chose not to sign it.....!!!

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Great player for the club. Deserves to be well paid.

No one at his age should get 3 years period. (Top 10 players in the comp maybe) It's nothing personal, just the path we have to take.

2 year max.

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I think people are losing focus of what we are trying to achieve here.

You dont give players contracts cos they have been loyal servants or got underpaid in the past.
You make an assessment of what they are worth to Carlton and for how long.
Lappin has had a shit year. He may have been AA last year. He was All-Crap this year so what do people want to reward him for.

I have doubts about him in the 2nd year even. Giving him a 3rd is not an option. If he doesnt like it let him walk. I dont care if he goes for free.

Same with Campo $225 max for 2 years. Not one cent or day longer.

If we can get trades for either, gimme, gimme

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Another angle to Matty's 3 year demand.

He started with us in 1999. 3 more years would give him 10 years at the club, and if he was still playing well enough, he'd be eligible for the veterans list, and maybe a big pay day (even if it's just for one year).

I guess he has to think of his future too, especially with another kid on the way.

A tough one to call.

Do you barack for the Club Jumper or the Players????????????????
People need to realise that the players are just employees that need
to perform to a specific level. Lappin was shocking this year and based on
that performance he shouldn't be rewarded with a 3 year contract. If the Club doesn't hold firm on these players demands then I wont renew my membership. I cant stand my club being dictated to by some over paid under performing individuals. Its time to take a stand and follow the St. Kilda path. Many individuals on this site Like to bag St.Kilda I respect them as a club simply because they made the hard decsions (Hall,Everitt) and now possess the best list in the competition (by far!!!!) and are on the verge of premiership glory. Do what you have to do Collo and Denis to get this Club back on track - Sack whoever you need to-make whatever changes that are needed!!!!!!!!

In his head he has been gone for quite some time. I spoke to skinny after the Richmond game - and he just couldn't see what was wrong with 3 years...I mentioned the fact that he was now 28 and if he was 25 I don't think it would have been an issue. He is trying to get as much as he can out of the place before he retires...the attitude is "i've done my bit - i'm owed what i deserve."...viewed by him almost as a bonus payment rather than - "this place has been good to me, given myself and my family real security...I'm endebted to them...2 years sees me up to 30 and if they give me another year they can put me on the vets list if need be".

Well - that's not the attitude I want out of a Carlton footballer - Lappin should go somewhere - hopefully interstate where he'll fade out in the SANFL...we'll take Reilly or Bok thanks Neil - Matty - the club is bigger than the individual...think about it.

Look, I feel a bit for Lappin. We could have offered him a bit more money and still kept the two year deal on the table (like 300K/2 years) if we weren't paying Kouta through the nose.

Kouta's contract meant that players could dictate what they were worth relative to his contract. Camporeale at 600K = 2/3 of the player that Kouta is, yeah, probably, Whitnall at 500K = 55% the player Kouta is...yeah maybe.

Until Kouta takes a cut, players will want what they're worth relative to him. If Kouta was on 500K, then players like Camporeale and Whitnall would be left with no choice but to sign for 300K or less.

Until Kouta's out of the club in a playing capacity, we're going to be hamstrung by selfish players, when in a sense it's not their fault.

Lappin's unfortunate here, the others have been at Carlton longer than he has, and hence he's behind in the pecking order. I want Camporeale and Whitnall out before Lappin.

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If he was 28 I would give him 3 years.
He is not.
He is 29 and turns 30 in Feb 2006. So will be 30 by the time we play our next game.

3 years for a 30 year old? No way.

Shannon Grant is struggling to get a 3 year deal from the Roos and he is 28. Thats tells you something. Better player in better form and younger and they are still baulking at it.

Lappin has had a sub average year he doesn't deserve a 3 year contract.

The way Carlton is treating them?????

How about the conduct of the agents. There's a reason why Lappin was on the radio on the same day as a full page article in The Age. The club is being played big-time. When their first offer was rejected, they committed to talking after the season had finished. He's had an average year and the value of the contract hasn't been upped ... smart business by the club I reckon.

The players and their agents have dominated this club for too long ... it's time the board got control back and unfortunately Matty and Lance might be lost because of it. If so, we move on and get players in that want to play for what they're worth. If not, bye bye!

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Yep, they just had Ron Joseph on the radio.

"I had lyall Johnson on the phone yesterday....I don't usually go near the media....and then today Lyall Johnson says that Grant is demanding $1.8 million!"

KB: " Where did he get that from Ron?"

Ron deftly ignores the question and keeps on chatting...

It was 4. It ended this year & we were still paying him. We gave Fraser Brown 3 years at a similar age. He only lasted 2 & we all know what happened with paying him out for that extra year.

Joseph.........

Cock.............!

how many more guys do we have with him.........?

and is Kouta the last Jess man.........?


kindest regards tommi



these guys are the asbestos........to our clubs cancer.........!
(the managers that is)

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Not according to the B & F, which would suggest he does deserve to be in our 6 highest paid players.

That is his gold watch for good service.
Same with the others...
See ya all later.. this train ios express to a premiership and its nopt stopping all stations.

Iver been calling for this.. and its about time the club did it!!!
We were never ever going anywhere when the players dictate our terms for us...

Theyre dictating our future...

Sorry!!!

Bye!!!

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Good article in the Age and Jake N is right IMHO...

re: Lappin...good player and I would like him to stay but 2 years is a fair enough deal and I think we have to accept that for us to move on we need to free up some money and not get locked into long term deals anymore...
Ron Joseph is only looking after his client/s and doing his job...at the end of the day the players are employees and looking for the best deal and the clubs are employers looking to minimise costs....its business and getting more like other sports where players change clubs more frequently
and supporters have to accept that you follow a club and not favourite players....

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I would not put Lappin in the same category as Campo. Lappin stayed for a lesser amount. Would offer him a sweetener so that he could save face and offer him a 3rd year option subject to performance in 2006. I can see him asa 33 year old playing down back. He has a body that can weather the the demands of football even at the age of 33. In fact I would love to see him as our vice captain. We need him to lead our inexperienced backline over the next few years. He is much better than his performance this year indicates.

As for Campo, I would be prepared to drive him over the border just in case he changes his mind and help him find a house to live in. He does not represent our future. Would be worth a pick in the thirties at the very least. Do not want him at Carlton even if he is prepared to accept a reduced contract. Senior players not prepared to demonstrate leadership qualities must be shown the door.

Buzzaaahh - i think even the 225k is a bit too generous considering how much he owes the club in unwarranted pay in the past.

If it was just 50k to 100k he had ripped off the club then good and well. Let bygones be bygones, but in my opinion Campo has been the worst player (in terms of his contribution vs cost) that we have ever had. I can't wait to see him removed from the list.