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One guy not mentioned is Harmes, who I also considered because during the clubs 79 to 82 phase when the Blues amassed 3 flags he was the biggest impact player in the team. If the team was ever in trouble, Harmes would go into the centre and turn the game.For a guy around 5foot 8 in the old scale, he was the best mark and was a penetrating kick.
His career peaked too early in my view, but I regard him equal with Croswell who others have put into their top 10

And his invovlement in the best footy add almost gets him over the line.


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Another player who I know little about except that he holds the record for the most goals in a game(13) is Horrie Clover.Apparently could play a bit but unfortunately was at the club during a unsuccesfull era.


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I'm only going by blokes I saw but yes there are plenty my dad and pop talked about, blokes like Frank Anderson, Clover, Ken Hands.

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I'm not gunna have a stab at a top ten, it's just too hard.

But Kernahan is the best all round footballer/leader/clubman I have ever had the privelege to see. He was and is a phenomenon.

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I chose Southby over SOS but both were great, just I remember how astonishing Southby was with those runs and his kicking was brilliant. Buzz was great but I would not have him in my top 10.


Remember those drop kicks Danny that seemed like they went half the length of the feild


I don't recall Southby ever using the drop kick...I saw every game he played for Carlton and as far as i can recall it was'nt in his repertoire.

By about 1971 (when he started at the Blues) the drop was largely extinct in the AFL.Whilst there is a lot of romanticism of the kick there was a very good reason it was eliminated and that was the eror rate.

Have a look at the old tapes, for every solid exponent of the kick there were another dozen or so in every team that struggled.

Robertson and Jackson were probably the only reliable exponents of the drop in our team prior to its demise.


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I chose Southby over SOS but both were great, just I remember how astonishing Southby was with those runs and his kicking was brilliant. Buzz was great but I would not have him in my top 10.


Remember those drop kicks Danny that seemed like they went half the length of the feild


I don't recall Southby ever using the drop kick...I saw every game he played for Carlton and as far as i can recall it was'nt in his repertoire.

By about 1971 (when he started at the Blues) the drop was largely extinct in the AFL.Whilst there is a lot of romanticism of the kick there was a very good reason it was eliminated and that was the eror rate.


Have a look at the old tapes, for every solid exponent of the kick there were another dozen or so in every team that struggled.

Robertson and Jackson were probably the only reliable exponents of the drop in our team prior to its demise.



He used it not often but he did. He would have been one of the last fullbacks to use it. .

With the drop kick it was like the torpe you either hit it or you missed it - you could go from champ to chump pretty quickly

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I heard that Colin Trippa was a good player.. anyone have his stats?

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dannyboy wrote:
I'm only going by blokes I saw but yes there are plenty my dad and pop talked about, blokes like Frank Anderson, Clover, Ken Hands.


Wondered how long until someone mention Ken Hands.

Also no Soapy?


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Thats the problem with these things... they're so biased toward modern-ish players.....

I'm sure Rod McGregor who carried the team for years was a top leader... potentially the Big Nick of his day.... but no one would ever know who was picking this list or the team of the century.

I reckon they should work out some equation for each position (ie, games played etc etc), and pick the team based on that.... totally remove subjectivity

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Sydney Blue wrote:
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dannyboy wrote:
I chose Southby over SOS but both were great, just I remember how astonishing Southby was with those runs and his kicking was brilliant. Buzz was great but I would not have him in my top 10.


Remember those drop kicks Danny that seemed like they went half the length of the feild


I don't recall Southby ever using the drop kick...I saw every game he played for Carlton and as far as i can recall it was'nt in his repertoire.

By about 1971 (when he started at the Blues) the drop was largely extinct in the AFL.Whilst there is a lot of romanticism of the kick there was a very good reason it was eliminated and that was the eror rate.


Have a look at the old tapes, for every solid exponent of the kick there were another dozen or so in every team that struggled.

Robertson and Jackson were probably the only reliable exponents of the drop in our team prior to its demise.



He used it not often but he did. He would have been one of the last fullbacks to use it. .

With the drop kick it was like the torpe you either hit it or you missed it - you could go from champ to chump pretty quickly


We will have to agree to disagree here.I cannot recall anyone using the kick past about 1971/72..


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7Dom I cant recall anyone either although apparently Syd Jackson was a pretty good exponent of it.

I remember at primary school having to be able to perform different kicks over different distances on either foot as well as hand passing either hand to achieve brone, silver and gold certificates. The drop kick was definately one of these even though no one had used one for about 10 years.


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1: Nick - not just what he did, but what he allowed his team to do. Nick made every player better amd hurt any opposition player, he was called Big Nick not for his size, but for his impact.

2: Jezza - Only Nick ahead of him because of the way Nick could influence a team.

3: Diesal - probably should be higher hell I can't displace those first two. 2 Brownlows, should have been 3.

4: Crosswell - for sheer brilliance this bloke is oft forgotten but jesus he could play.

5: Sticks - Great player, great captain.

6: Dominator - pound for pound, the best finals player I have seen in Navy Blue.

7: Doull - For him to be rated 7 shows just how great the champions of this club are.

8: Southby - until that fateful whack, Geoff Southby redefined this game. His anticipation, his run, his ability to shut down the best and then almost taunt them was amazing. he was whacked because that was how to win that final, by taking him out!

9: Walls - often overlooked when discussion about great CHF's take place, but he was easily one of the best.

10: Bradley - never beaten, always ran, as good a competitor as anyone who has played.

And there are probably ten more who could fit in and it would still be an amazing list.


Like you DB, I've had the privilege of watching all of these champions. Sorry, but you have made two glaring omissions; Ken Hunter and Steve Silvagni.

By any criteria they demand places in the top ten, so I would go this way.

1. John Nicholls
2. Alex Jesaulenko
3. Stephen Kernahan
4. Wayne Johnston
5. Stephen Silvagni
6. Ken Hunter
7. Bruce Doull
8. Greg Williams
9. Craig Bradley
10. Geoff Southby

With sincere apologies to Brent Crosswell, David McKay, Mike Fitzpatrick, Peter Bosustow, Robbie Walls, Anthony Koutifides, Brett Ratten, Wayne Harmes and probably a dozen others.

I'm really looking forward to seeing some new names join this list.....

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What would be great is if these guys were all still playing and we could eagerly anticipate them turning 30 so we could start bashing them.

Going to be a long season for Kouta fans around here :(

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had Walls before Hunter because walls played CHF and I'd actually have swan in before Hunter.The Southby v SOS argument is a huge one. I guess what swayed me is that I have always thought offensively Southby was the more dmaaging FB. But hey I love SOS and would be happy for him to be there.

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Southby did use the drop kick but sparingly, you are right most times he just torpedoed the thing a mile.

On the drop kick, thats such a furphy. Yes they shanked them, just as players today shank kicks. Ond in those days the grounds were in shit condition.

Jackson and Robbo were the two best I saw at Carlton though I seem to recall Racehorse Hall kicking some long ones (when filling at I fullback perhaps?). And Jezza early, though this could be confusion. Quirk and Crane did at times too and Gags . I'd love to see Jackson take a kick at the dome and see how his percentages went.

The thing is connect and you get distance and accuracy. Don't and everyone blames the drop kick. Nowadays we blame the footballer rather than the drop punt which has its own problems. Under pressure the drop punt excels, but not every kick is taken under pressure.

Besides you cannot tell me a drop kick was not a glorious thing to see, the sun catching the spinning leather so it shone like hope in a young kid's dream.

There should always be room for artistry in football, but alas, it was diminished with the loss of the drop kick.

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Besides you cannot tell me a drop kick was not a glorious thing to see, the sun catching the spinning leather so it shone like hope in a young kid's dream.


What a beautiful line.
Maybe this one for your tombstone ?

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Since I've been watching.....

B: Southby Silvagni A McKay

HB: Doull Dean Hunter

C: Glascott Williams Bradley

HF: Johnston Walls Jezza

F: Kouta Kernahan Bosustow

R: Fitzpatrick Ratten Buckley

might go alright this mob.... jeez we were spoilt back then!!

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One guy not mentioned is Harmes, who I also considered because during the clubs 79 to 82 phase when the Blues amassed 3 flags he was the biggest impact player in the team. If the team was ever in trouble, Harmes would go into the centre and turn the game.For a guy around 5foot 8 in the old scale, he was the best mark and was a penetrating kick.
His career peaked too early in my view, but I regard him equal with Croswell who others have put into their top 10

And his invovlement in the best footy add almost gets him over the line.



Brilliant post... agree with every word you said. I would have him in my top 10 though - that tap in was something magical and another example as to why the Australian code of football never ceases to amaze..

How on earth did he do that? that is a phrase one says more with Aust. footy than in any other code.


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WHile these lists shower us with many great memories and highlight how many great champions we have had, I can't help but think we've missed something extraordinary with Kouta's knee injuries. At his peak he was…

THE GREATEST.

Simply unstoppable. If only we were spoilt with his best for a few more years.

That aside, this discussion makes for some great reading and I love reading the discussions of the older guys debating over who they reckon was better. Makes us younger kids *cough* appreciate names on a piece of paper, or images set in our minds that little bit more real. Thanks!

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Whilst I am definitely biased towards players I have seen play SOS has to take the choccies over Southby. Just for all round ability, I saw SOS hold Locket to 1 at Waverley one day and I saw the same man kick 7 on the then state full back Chris Langford. Pretty amazing talent, everyone talks about Carey and Ablett etc in that era, but SOS has to be close to the best for all around ability, although his kicking was sometimes a bit wayward up forward (and sometimes down back for that matter)

Buzz was amazing but only played 65 games.

Agree with Camel, the golden days of Kouta were hard to top, he did things nobody has looked like doing before or since.

Surprised nobody had Damian Loch or Darren Ogier in there, but hey, I have to accept that some people are very narrow minded in there perceptions.

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