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Unprofessionalism. :evil:


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Maybe his contract had a games played clause for bonus payments?


Why is it that so many people see Fev as money hungry?


i know give him a break, if he was money hungry he wouldn't be at this club.

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I don’t believe in making judgements based purely on media reports, but as we have seen here many times it seem to be the MO on TC at the moment…..


:roll: It's the MO at TC at the moment is it?
Any other rash generalisations while we're at it?

This is hardly media speculation.
There are direct quotes from Fevola stating that he played injured.
If the club Doctors are giving him injections and the player is training in the rehab group, I'd suggest the MC know there is a problem.

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I must admit it does seem strange that he was selected while injured, maybe the match committee wanted to go in with a player down?! :P

Put all that aside though and let's hope that Brendan is true to his word and has become a more team focused player and be thankful that he has learnt this lesson when it hasn't really affected our greater prospects for the season in question.

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Has anyone come up with anything that looks anything like an explanation for this? Why the heck would they play him if injured unless we were pinging for a finals spot?

Bloody stupid if you ask me.

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I can't figure out what the motivation for playing him was, but it means little now. Fevola had sugery on both of his hands straight after the season ended, so all up he was obviously under quite a cloud towards the end there. Hopefully now though, all his problems are fixed and he can play a sensational year in 2006.


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Will he be fully fit (not 1/2 fit) by rnd 1? If not put him in cotton wool and give Setanta a crack for the first 6 games. Let's see what he's got.

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It was quite obvious in the second half of the year that he was injured. The average supporter could see it and the average supporter knew that he should have been rested.

The thing that annoys me more than anything, is the club have left him out to dry. All the articles are about Fev saying he was ok, Fev pushing himself, Fev this, Fev that. Where is the club's responsibility in all this? We were last on the ladder, and we were playing one of our best players with an injury we knew would take time for a full recovery.

We have footballers to play football, coaches to coach, medical staff to ASSESS medical conditions. If they can't do that properly, what is the point of having them????


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Blue Vain wrote:
mikkey wrote:
I don’t believe in making judgements based purely on media reports, but as we have seen here many times it seem to be the MO on TC at the moment…..


:roll: It's the MO at TC at the moment is it?
Any other rash generalisations while we're at it?

This is hardly media speculation.
There are direct quotes from Fevola stating that he played injured.
If the club Doctors are giving him injections and the player is training in the rehab group, I'd suggest the MC know there is a problem.


OK so we know the full story? Really?

Now let me give you a possible scenario: What if Fev was assessed by the medicos and they told Pagan and the football department: Its only a groin strain, it won’t aggravate by playing him, he just needs some rest at some stage to heal and it does not need an operation.

If this is the scenario its’ a medico @#$%&! up and what happened is more understandable. Note, how the operation happened late as it was expected it would heal with rest in off-season but it did not.


I don’t know the full story. If it happened as above I have some misgivings but I understand. If the football department played him knowing there was a risk of aggravating the injury – I am pissed off. But we don’t know all the details – except for you of course.


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With Fev now out of the preseason cup, I'd like to see Hartlett given a crack at FF, he has the size and came with a repuatation that he can kick a bag - the deep end is a nice place to start.


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The stupidity of it was.. if he had it fixed straight away he could have had a proper pre season under his belt and if we then wanted to trade him in the best draft of all time we could have got more.
Besides the fact that if we wanted him to stay he would have blitzed and therefore been more valuable to the club.

Why did we play him?

Because we didnt want the wooden spoon... :roll:

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Or perhaps because we did :)


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steve wrote:
Or perhaps because we did :)
he still kicked 50 goals...

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mikkey wrote:
Now let me give you a possible scenario: What if Fev was assessed by the medicos and they told Pagan and the football department: Its only a groin strain, it won’t aggravate by playing him, he just needs some rest at some stage to heal and it does not need an operation.

If this is the scenario its’ a medico F@%&#! up and what happened is more understandable. Note, how the operation happened late as it was expected it would heal with rest in off-season but it did not.


I don’t know the full story. If it happened as above I have some misgivings but I understand. If the football department played him knowing there was a risk of aggravating the injury – I am pissed off. But we don’t know all the details – except for you of course.



Fact 1. Fevola states that he was playing injured from mid season.
Fact 2. Fevola was recieving pain killing injections so medical staff were aware of his injuries.
Fact 3. MC knew Fevola was carrying an injury as he was not in full training.

I'm not making judgements on why FEvola played injured or who's fault it is. I'm simply relaying the facts.
You should try it sometime.

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No more dummy spits ,no more temper tantrums etc.The Shag has wielded the old chestnut out yet again.What else is he or Pagan meant to say.

Fev the proof hopefully will be in the pudding come winter time 2006 style


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Blue Vain wrote:
mikkey wrote:
Now let me give you a possible scenario: What if Fev was assessed by the medicos and they told Pagan and the football department: Its only a groin strain, it won’t aggravate by playing him, he just needs some rest at some stage to heal and it does not need an operation.

If this is the scenario its’ a medico F@%&#! up and what happened is more understandable. Note, how the operation happened late as it was expected it would heal with rest in off-season but it did not.


I don’t know the full story. If it happened as above I have some misgivings but I understand. If the football department played him knowing there was a risk of aggravating the injury – I am pissed off. But we don’t know all the details – except for you of course.



Fact 1. Fevola states that he was playing injured from mid season.
Fact 2. Fevola was recieving pain killing injections so medical staff were aware of his injuries.
Fact 3. MC knew Fevola was carrying an injury as he was not in full training.

I'm not making judgements on why FEvola played injured or who's fault it is. I'm simply relaying the facts.
You should try it sometime.



Well, your 'facts' do not in any way contradict the possible scenario I described. But don't let that stop you.


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mikkey.. did you think Fev was 100% in the second half of last year????

Youre up on the stands but what did you think?
Did it ever cross your mind that he may not have been?


You know like when he couldnt kick more than 40 meters and looked to pass the ball off on ever opportunity rather than go back for a big bomb....!!!

You actually thought he was 100% did you????

Well i can tell you when they pulled the pin on him a director described him as "a cripple" to me...
But you thought he looked just fine huh????

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It was clear he was not 100%. Never claimed that - have I.

We are discussing the reasons why he was played in spite of not being 100% right. (the discussion about "teaching him a lesson")

We are also discussing - as in hindsight it seems to have been a mistake - what was the reason for this mistake and whos fault was it.

Some people are blaming the football department, I am saying, maybe there was a wrong diagnosis by the medicos. That is all.


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It was clear he was not 100%. Never claimed that - have I.

We are discussing the reasons why he was played in spite of not being 100% right. (the discussion about "teaching him a lesson")

We are also discussing - as in hindsight it seems to have been a mistake - what was the reason for this mistake and whos fault was it.

Some people are blaming the football department, I am saying, maybe there was a wrong diagnosis by the medicos. That is all.
Ok so you saw from the stands he wasnt fit... but now he has an operation just before xmas;... so he will miss the pre season... and he played while we won a wooden spoon...

Would u think thats good list management and management of players/ injury???

Surely if he cant kick further than 40 meters and the year before he was bombing them from 70.. youd get him sent to a doctor because the season is a write off yeah????

Well thats the MC/ medical team..... theyre responsible for that...

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My suggestion is that the football department received wrong medical advice. You can blame them for following this advice and make claims that this is bad list management by the football department.

I would say it depends on the advice the club received - if it was clearly stated there was no major problem and Fev just needed a rest - well then I blame the person who gave that advice and would suggest the club should review who they use in this area. The fact that Fev was not operated on until recently indicates that this could be very well the case.

If the MC played Fev either without taking advice or in spite of medical advice, then they should have the biggest kick in the arse.

But it all depends what really happened. It happens that people are misdiagnosed. Well, I have a suspicion this could have happened here. Maybe time for the club to review its "medical" arrangements.


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