yeah but thats why im not banking on them but on kids...
i feel like breaking out into song... "we are the world.... we are the children..."

Our problem will be we will take longer than StKilda or the Dogs to get out of this ... because.... there is no leadership guiding those kids as we accumulate them... for us we dont have a Robert Harvey/ Nathan Burke/ Brad Johnson/Chris Grant etc
All those guys rejected big money in their careers to stay at their club.
They all took leadership roles and acted the way youd want your leaders to act around kids.
Each one of them did everything humanly possible to be the best they can and strive for the most.
We will need an extra couple of years for these kids to be mature enough to do it on their own.

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Not a premiership amongst that lot. So if you knock back a better offer from another club and take up a leadership role you qualify as a good leader?
Hamill is as good if not better than those blokes as a leader of men.

Were talking about examples for kids to work hard, have football morals, a club spirit etc.

Robert Flower played in one final all his life... whats that got to do with anything????

If you knock back an offer from another club it means youre out there playing for your jumper!!!

I think points escape you .....

You can be a Campo and have played in a winning GF... and have NOTHING to offer a oung team.. or you can be a Robert Harvey / Brad Johnston and help build a platform for others to win a GF.

See youre confused... youre confused by the fact that we have been so succesful that you think flags are won easily...

The exact opposite is true.. and unless were CAREFUL to have the RIGHT people at the club who can help us take steps towards giving ourselves another shot we can miss out for the rest of our lifetimes..

You can do everything right as best you can and still not win one.. but you wont win one if you dont do much right!!!

So its imperative we start with the leadership group NOW!

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Have to agree with your assessment. Stevens stands out for me as a leader and role model for our emerging players. Lappin does in my opinion posess some leadership qualities and would be the type who would blossom if given the opportunity.

Kouta is on his last legs and should be focussing on keeping himself in peak condition. He can no longer inspire the team with his individual feats.

This is why I felt we needed to target future leaders in this year's recruiting. Those who in a couple of years will be able to step up and fill the void. Bringing in future leaders is just as important as fixing up our midfield and backline. A Murphy/Hurn combo would have been nice because in all of their assessments the term leadership always creeps up.

Would not be surprised if Murphy becomes our youngest ever leader in three years time.

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leadership is a funny thing and driven by many factors - age is only one of them.

Currently we measure it on age and length of experience.

If the club is serious about developing leadership, they should be looking to Thornton, Waite to step in and take the mantle now.

The young guys around the club have leadership qualities. The only thing preventing us from letting them have the opportunity is perceived risk of failure.

what have we got to lose?

and maybe, just maybe some of the older blokes and so called leaders migh just respond to inspirational 'risk' taking leadership.

Its a pretty sorry list.
I think given this list that the current fashion of having a leadership group does not work with the available talent.
I think we should adopt a gridiron approach of a defensive captain, offensive captain and special teams captain it would work better.
For example Kouta moves to CFB and becomes the defensive captain, Stevo becomes the mid field captain and Big Red the offense captain.
In this manner the leadership group is reduced as a measure of the available talent, and the leadership is more gameday directed so that guys like Daniher have a greater role in leadership.

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"Carlton's most loyal, their bruised and battered egos now seemingly a bad dream, drank beers, murdered pies and cheered every time Judd touched the ball."

There is such a hole at the Blues in terms of footballers who were 'born to lead'. At Carlton, we have rewarded decent footballers with the captaincy since Kernahan hung up his boots. Bradley is a Blues legend but he only led onfield and through his game soley while his manner was not what you'd consider truly passionate...Kouta is a great player but he is a captain who has had to learn how to lead.

I hope our next captain doesn't have to be rewarded or identified: we need someone who'll hand over that last drop of blood, who'll throw a punch at the perfect time, who'll have no other direction in his life as a footballer than to lead Carlton to a flag.