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Its easy to confuse being laconic with being lazy and uncommitted.

I've always been a fan of Davies and I still think he can make it. Its no secret he struggled settling in to a city lifestyle. The flashes he's shown, his desperation and attack on the ball can be fantastic.

Its up to the coaching staff to coax that out of him more consistently. While he's failed them so far I've no doubt they've failed him at the same time.

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We're talking about a player who turns 23 this year and has played 41 games.
He has yet to gather more than 18 possessions in a game. :?


Davies needs to take enormous steps forward. Not just improve.

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The big upside to Davies is he has a detailed blueprint for world peace.


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Unfortunately starting behind the eight ball this year due to suspension. Really hope he makes it. Still think he is one of the hardest ball players on our list


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Davies lost his chance last year in the VFL finals. Won't make it, should of been sacked already :evil:

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I think Davies is a real talent. I just can't believe Wiggins gets games over this guy.


I dont think Davies is anything special ...lacks a yard of pace, sloppy disposal and makes poor decisons.
Wiggins isnt going to be the next Chris Judd and has his own disposal and decison making woes but does look like he wants to be a AFL footballer and plays with some urgency and the right attitude.
I still think Davies is playing the same as when he first arrived and has not improved....Wiggins has improved all be it slowly...both players are in the delicate stage of their careers but my money would be on Wiggins making it before Davies...

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I believe Davies has great talent, can be very creative and has a huge tank but may well be wasted at CFC.

Rather than a tagger, I would play him on the wing and give him a bit of freedom. In the last game of 2005, he actually started on the ground (amazing in itself) on the wing and on their most dangerous player – Wells. For the first quarter and a half he more than held his own – Wells got away a few times but so did Davies. Then astonishingly, he was taken off him - Wells then proceeded to absolutely dominate and win Kangers the game.

In the Bullants preliminary final he stuffed up and after being reported early in the game his mind seemed elsewhere. Ironically, I think this was the time to have actually put him on the bench, but no, our brilliant brains trust left him out there lamenting and low and behold, not only does he not get a kick but also gets reported again.

Yes, you can blame the worker but surely the management must take some responsibility for not properly developing their personnel. IMO this is the case with Davies and unless he gets some kind of mentoring type help he will be lost – what a pity he arrived at Carlton at the time they had so little true leadership – I think it is probably too late.


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but surely the management must take some responsibility for not properly developing their personnel. IMO this is the case with Davies and unless he gets some kind of mentoring type help he will be lost –


Don't agree with this.

There's only so much a coaching staff can do to help develop a player.
BV's post says it all.
23 years old, 41 games, hasn't racked up more than 18 possies in one game and is extremely inconsistent.

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Pretty hard to get more than 18 touches when you're on the pine for half the game and when you do come on you sit in the forward pocket while we are getting spanked.
If he gets a fair go he'll make it. Wiggins and Sporn have had their chances, time to give Davies his.

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First handful of games in 2005. Was given plenty of opportunity and failed time and time again.

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phoenix johnson wrote:
First handful of games in 2005. Was given plenty of opportunity and failed time and time again.


Wiggins fails everytime he steps on the field yet he plays nearly every minute of every game. Time for Pagan to get rid of his golden boys.

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People speak about Davies having talent?

What talent? What does he do that makes him stand out from other players?

Pace? No
Strength? No
Ball winning ability? No
Speed? No
Overhead mark? No

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Effes wrote:
People speak about Davies having talent?

What talent? What does he do that makes him stand out from other players?

Pace? No
Strength? No
Ball winning ability? No
Speed? No
Overhead mark? No


Those are all Pagan's fault you fool :evil: :wink:

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A bit further to Justin Davies.....I think he has more to worry about than competing with Simon Wiggins for a senior game....Luke Blackwell, Jordan Russell and of course Marc Murphy will be in line for senior spots, Eddie Betts has the forward pocket goalsneak gig and from what I have read and seen of Jesse Smith and Ryan Jackson I think they can be future senior players and at least one of them will win a senior spot at the end of next season...for mine there are plenty in front of Davies and he is with Wiggins, Sporn, Chambers, Longmuir fighting over the scraps....I would have Wiggins at the top of that group as well...
Pagan might have his favourites and I dont disagree with the luv child comments but a player like Wiggins who does put in on and off the field has to be rewarded with more game time...Davies running off back to Shep and suspension for the Bullants wouldnt have done much for his cause IMHO and he really needs to show he wants a career as a AFL footballer....a few cameos mainly vs Collingwood isnt enough to justify keeping him on the list and I reckon Denis Pagan has showed a fair bit of faith keeping him on the list...

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I reckon Denis Pagan has showed a fair bit of faith keeping him on the list...


Agree. This is the same player who was afraid of the ball for a while after he was hit by a stray ball at training wasn't he? (I may have got the wrong guy) Hard nut indeed. I know someone that used to know him personally and he's the 'biggest up himself asshole I've met'

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Effes wrote:
People speak about Davies having talent?

What talent? What does he do that makes him stand out from other players?

Pace? No
Strength? No
Ball winning ability? No
Speed? No
Overhead mark? No


At VFL level

Pace? Yes
Strength? Yes
Ball winning ability? Plenty Of
Speed? Yes
Overhead mark? Very Good for a bloke his height.

Seems to get caught spectating too much in his limited opportunities at AFL level.

I am one that believes he has ability

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Shakin77 wrote:
Effes wrote:
People speak about Davies having talent?

What talent? What does he do that makes him stand out from other players?

Pace? No
Strength? No
Ball winning ability? No
Speed? No
Overhead mark? No


At VFL level

Pace? Yes
Strength? Yes
Ball winning ability? Plenty Of
Speed? Yes
Overhead mark? Very Good for a bloke his height.


I wasn't even gonna respond to that. Pace or Speed? :?

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Shakin77 wrote:
Effes wrote:
People speak about Davies having talent?

What talent? What does he do that makes him stand out from other players?

Pace? No
Strength? No
Ball winning ability? No
Speed? No
Overhead mark? No


At VFL level

Pace? Yes
Strength? Yes
Ball winning ability? Plenty Of
Speed? Yes
Overhead mark? Very Good for a bloke his height.

Seems to get caught spectating too much in his limited opportunities at AFL level.

I am one that believes he has ability


If he can only show that at VFL level then what value would he provide at AFL level. You can't say he hasn't been given plenty of opportunities.

You can't just rely on kicking a few goals out of your arse once every 20 games :roll:

Not to mention his opponent rebounding out of defence

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The Half Forward Flank or Forward Pocket can be one of the biggest graveyards in AFL football. Not to mention playing in the 16th best side in the comp, when the ball tends to spend most of it's time at the other end of the ground.

Would love to now how much time he spent on-ball? And even how much time he spent on the ground/per game?

I don't now the exact answers, but “limitedâ€

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